Which weapons are considered as "polearms"?


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Concerning the Polearm Master Fighter archetype, which weapons are considered polearms? Is there some special ability the weapon must have? Reach? Brace? Something else?

I'm specifically interested in the Dwarven Longhammer, an exotic large warhammer with reach. Can I use it with the aforementioned archetype?


I would go with "if it has reach, it's a pole arm." Except for whips.


Marios wrote:

Concerning the Polearm Master Fighter archetype, which weapons are considered polearms? Is there some special ability the weapon must have? Reach? Brace? Something else?

I'm specifically interested in the Dwarven Longhammer, an exotic large warhammer with reach. Can I use it with the aforementioned archetype?

Technically, "polearm" is a fighter weapon group:

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Polearms: bardiche, bec de corbin, bill, glaive, glaive-guisarme, guisarme, halberd, hooked lance, lucerne hammer, mancatcher, monk's spade, naginata, nodachi, ranseur, rhomphaia, tepoztopilli, and tiger fork.

This is a bit more restricted than many people would rule; for example, I used to use a long spear in both the SCA and in martial arts class, and I'd say "damn straight, it's a polearm!" But the fighter weapon groups list it in spears.


.... how about their presence in the polearm category created by the fighter weapon training feature? ..But ah, the dwarven longhammer might not be in any category (often happens with exotic weapons)

Oddly, there is a major distinction between polearms and spears in that class feature. The best guess on the difference is that spears usually are just something to stick someone with, while pole arms can be anything that can be summed up with the phrase "- on a stick" such as "blade on a stick", "hook on a stick", or "hammer on a stick".

Luckily, the archetype in question consistently uses the phrase "spear or polearm". So yes, eakratz is basically right for judging whether it would apply for polearm master's class features, in that it typically covers anything that includes a pole and has reach.


Ahhh... I knew there should be a definition somewhere!

Unfortunately the list does not contain the Dwarven Longhammer, neither in polearms or in hammers, so I can't get a RAW response to my question, albeit, since hammers are a category on their own, I guess my GM would rule Dwarven Longhammers there instead of in polearms...

Oh, well...

Thanks a lot people!


Marios wrote:


Unfortunately the list does not contain the Dwarven Longhammer, neither in polearms or in hammers, so I can't get a RAW response to my question, albeit, since hammers are a category on their own, I guess my GM would rule Dwarven Longhammers there instead of in polearms...

That would be my call, certainly. It's in the name and all. But on the other hand, if it's a cool concept, maybe the GM will cut you a break.


Lucerne hammer is considered a pole arm, so you could use that as a rationale for the dwarven long hammer. Or just use one and called it your "dwarven lucerne hammer."


lemeres wrote:


Oddly, there is a major distinction between polearms and spears in that class feature. The best guess on the difference is that spears usually are just something to stick someone with, while pole arms can be anything that can be summed up with the phrase "- on a stick" such as "blade on a stick", "hook on a stick", or "hammer on a stick".

What about a quarterstaff? That's kind of a stick onna stick.

Sausage onna stick?


Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
lemeres wrote:


Oddly, there is a major distinction between polearms and spears in that class feature. The best guess on the difference is that spears usually are just something to stick someone with, while pole arms can be anything that can be summed up with the phrase "- on a stick" such as "blade on a stick", "hook on a stick", or "hammer on a stick".

What about a quarterstaff? That's kind of a stick onna stick.

Sausage onna stick?

"The dread hammer Tod Fleisch was crafted by the dwarven hero Sworson as he trekked through the elemental plane of earth. The stony innards of his slain foes serve as the brunt of this brutal weapon"

Now how is that for a dwarven long hammer?


Sausage inna bun? 5p and that's cutting me own throat!


jalapeño on a stick?


eakratz wrote:
jalapeño on a stick?

Does it do fire damage if something tries to swallow you whole?


Ring of fire damage the next day.

Shadow Lodge

I'd rule a Dwarven Longhammer as a Polearm and a Hammer [lots of weapons are on two groups. See nodachi.], if it matters. But RAW, only weapons in the polearm weapon groups are polearms.


Well, that's a possibility as well, being on two categories!

Furthermore, the word "Hammer" does not necessarily mean that it belongs to the "Hammers" category, e.g. Lucerne Hammer is a polearm and not a hammer or Meteor Hammer which is a flail and not a hammer.

On a final note, it would seem that no weapons listed in the "Hammers" category have reach. That should be a +1 for my case, right?


Orfamay Quest wrote:
This is a bit more restricted than many people would rule; for example, I used to use a long spear in both the SCA and in martial arts class, and I'd say "damn straight, it's a polearm!" But the fighter weapon groups list it in spears.

The reason spears are different from polearms is because polearms, historically, were generally long handled axes or hammers. Which meant that you generally attacked with a swinging motion as opposed to a spear's stabbing motion. While most polearms eventually incorporated some form of spike onto their very tip, it wasn't the primary method of dealing damage.

Or, as wikipedia puts it, "A pole-arm is differentiated from a spear in that the penetrating 'edge' is parallel to the pole, rather than in-line, although many pole-arms also incorporate a spear point."


Weapons can be in multiple groups (quarter staff is both "double" and "monk", while Unarmed Strike is in THREE: Monk, Natural and Close for instance). Just toss it in both "Hammers" and "Polearms", it explicitly doesn't stack so it doesn't hurt anything to have it in both.


Just in case anyone's interested my GM finally ruled it as polearm.

Thanks a lot your insight people!


That sounds right, given that it's on a pole and you have to swing it. Polearm. It may not, however, be appropriate to put it in with Hammers as well, considering that the Lucerne Hammer (which is functionally similar; a polearm-style hammer) is only in the Polearms group but not in the Hammers group.

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