Elemental Wizard Opposed School Spells


Rules Questions


I've scanned the boards, if anyone has posted on this already I couldn't find it.

I've been looking over the Elemental School options for Wizards. What spells are banned? I would assume that if I choose Fire then I would have all the spells specifically listed on the Water list as my opposed school spells correct?

Now this may sound a bit rules lawyer here...but that is often how my group goes. If you look at second level spells in those lists (fire and water) they contain a lot of overlap.

For example at second level you will find Elemental Speech, Elemental Touch, Resist Energy and Summon Monster II all on both lists. RAW would tell me that I need to expend two slot to memorize any of those spells.

But that seems dumb, that spells that are in my school are also opposed? Its not like you can memorize Elemental Touch (Fire) or Elemental Touch (Cold), unless I really missed something somewhere.

Also, if the Wizard does have full access to all these "opposed" spells...then doesn't this make Elemental Schools by far the best in terms of spell access? You only choose one opposition school instead of the normal two and half the opposed spells aren't really opposed? That seems head and shoulder's above all the standard schools.

What am I missing?


Check the keywords of the spells...I'd assume that only if you used the listed spells to use water effects would it cost you the additional slot


Only catch here is that we are talking about wizards not spontaneous casters. If you cast it in an opposed element, what other slot would you use? Some random other spell? That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Silver Crusade

I think that if a spell has water and fire as discriptors then it can be either but not both. So if you prepare it and relate ite effect to fire then its one slot if you relate it to water then is two.

Or they are just counted as in your domain


Some of these spells don't resolve their descriptor until casting. How would it work for a wizard, who must know the number of slots when preparing?

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