| David Southam |
My idea is for my level 9 ranger with boon companion and rapid shot feats to take a wolf as an animal companion and give him spring attack as a feat.
I interpret the rules as saying that, on my initiative count, I can move my wolf's speed while mounted and still make a full ranged attack, and I can't see anything that says my wolf can't attack mid-move (spring attack) without any attacks of opportunities to either of us alongside my full attack (provided I pass a handle animal check to make him willing to attack the enemy).
Have I got this right?
Would I have to pass any ride check (other than for steering with knees)?
| Remy Balster |
The only other rides checks you would need to make would be if other stuff was going on, like your wolf had to hop a fallen log, or someone readied an action to shoot your wolf while he was moving or etc.
Just him going 20 ft, attacking once, and going another 20ft, with you full attacking? DC 5 ride to steer, DC 10 handle animal if he has attack trick, or attack trick twice if it is an exotic enemy, or dc 25 if he isn't trained to attack the enemy so that you can push him to anyway.
You’ll also need to roll a few attack rolls, and hopefully a bunch of damage rolls too.
Edit: Wait, no, there is another check! DC 10 ride check to "Fight with a Combat-Trained Mount". That is what lets both of you get to attack in the same round.
| Quandary |
I don't see how the Wolf having Spring Attack protects the Rider from AoOs caused by their movement atop the Wolf.
There is a related option with Ride-by-Attack Feat, but that is a straight-line Charge and you would be attacking the target of the Charge as a normal melee Charge attack, not with a Ranged attack much less a Ranged Full Attack.
| Remy Balster |
I don't see how the Wolf having Spring Attack protects the Rider from AoOs caused by their movement atop the Wolf.
There is a related option with Ride-by-Attack Feat, but that is a straight-line Charge and you would be attacking the target of the Charge as a normal melee Charge attack, not with a Ranged attack much less a Ranged Full Attack.
They would get AoO if they fire from within an enemy's threatened area. But considering the number of available squares they could shoot from, it is unlikely they would all be threatened.
| Quandary |
@Remy:
Sure... But I was writing about AoOs caused by movement, not firing.
Wolves don't have Reach. If they are threatening a target to attack in melee,
the target likely threatens back, so when you move away from that square that is leaving a threatened square: AoO.
Ride-by-Attack (Charge) specifically protects Mount and Rider from AoO, but Spring Attack only applies to the "Springer".
It seems reasonable to say that if Mount and Rider both had Spring Attack that would work to protect both,
but that's not what the OP wants to do, they want to Full Attack at range away from the target, not make a single Spring Attack melee attack.
Anyhow, the Wolf making one attack isn't that big of a deal, the Wolf can do a single Move
and the Rider can do a Ranged Full Attack, the Wolf can Ready an Attack against any enemy that comes nearby,
or even better Ready a Move Action to stay away from them if possible.
| Remy Balster |
@Remy:
Sure... But I was writing about AoOs caused by movement, not firing.
Wolves don't have Reach. If they are threatening a target to attack in melee,
the target likely threatens back, so when you move away from that square that is leaving a threatened square: AoO.
Ride-by-Attack (Charge) specifically protects Mount and Rider from AoO, but Spring Attack only applies to the "Springer".
It seems reasonable to say that if Mount and Rider both had Spring Attack that would work to protect both,
but that's not what the OP wants to do, they want to Full Attack at range away from the target, not make a single Spring Attack melee attack.Anyhow, the Wolf making one attack isn't that big of a deal, the Wolf can do a single Move
and the Rider can do a Ranged Full Attack, the Wolf can Ready an Attack against any enemy that comes nearby,
or even better Ready a Move Action to stay away from them if possible.
Ah I see what ya mean. I hadn't considered that, maybe I just assumed if the wolf didn't incur an AoO then vicariously the thing on his back he is hauling around with him wouldn't either.
That is, not something I have any known rules quotes to turn to, and would have to read up on more.
I'm uncertain mostly because normally movement, that you are not doing yourself, rarely causes AoOs, and being carted around...I'd have to read the actual lines... later, with books.
But you could very well be spot on.
Michael Sayre
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***But considering the number of available squares they could shoot from, it is unlikely they would all be threatened.
It's not as many as you might think:
"You can use ranged weapons while your mount is taking a double move, but at a –4 penalty on the attack roll. You can use ranged weapons while your mount is running (quadruple speed) at a –8 penalty. In either case, you make the attack roll when your mount has completed half its movement. You can make a full attack with a ranged weapon while your mount is moving. Likewise, you can take move actions normally."