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Summoned creatures don't have reactions ^_^

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This thread should be in the Advice forum with the other guides' threads ;-)

You might want to signal it on the Guide to guides thread also on the Advice forum.


citricking wrote:
Summoned creatures don't have reactions ^_^

Not a reaction, it is a free action with a trigger.

Honestly, don't know why you people are so fixated with that part.


The Raven Black wrote:

This thread should be in the Advice forum with the other guides' threads ;-)

You might want to signal it on the Guide to guides thread also on the Advice forum.

My bad, haven't been that long around this forum, thought I should post it here.

I'm going to put it all together in a google docs, I will link that.


roquepo wrote:
citricking wrote:
Summoned creatures don't have reactions ^_^

Not a reaction, it is a free action with a trigger.

Honestly, don't know why you people are so fixated with that part.

roquepo's Guide wrote:
We are doing this for a single creature, the Bone Croupier. This thing has a reaction that automatically makes another creature at 30 ft to fail a save

People are "fixated" on that part because your guide is incorrect. They are trying to help you.

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The comments on Reddit are also worth highlighting, especially the ones citing Paizo designers on the Bone Croupier:

Mark Seifter wrote:
If you think this is too good to be true, you are right. The croupier is in an AP backmatter for the one volume of Extinction Curse that hit during a design team and design lead transition, and should be uncommon (at bare minimum, the ability is likely also too unfair against the PCs as well when you throw these in as minions to a bigger threat at higher levels). I highly recommend not using or allowing it as a summon (and being very careful using it as an enemy too) until we have a way to officially correct this.

Citation

This belongs in your guide. Most GMs will rightly make this creature rare or justifiably say "no."


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Doug Hahn wrote:
roquepo wrote:
citricking wrote:
Summoned creatures don't have reactions ^_^

Not a reaction, it is a free action with a trigger.

Honestly, don't know why you people are so fixated with that part.

roquepo's Guide wrote:
We are doing this for a single creature, the Bone Croupier. This thing has a reaction that automatically makes another creature at 30 ft to fail a save

People are "fixated" on that part because your guide is incorrect. They are trying to help you.

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The comments on Reddit are also worth highlighting, especially the ones citing Paizo designers on the Bone Croupier:

Mark Seifter wrote:
If you think this is too good to be true, you are right. The croupier is in an AP backmatter for the one volume of Extinction Curse that hit during a design team and design lead transition, and should be uncommon (at bare minimum, the ability is likely also too unfair against the PCs as well when you throw these in as minions to a bigger threat at higher levels). I highly recommend not using or allowing it as a summon (and being very careful using it as an enemy too) until we have a way to officially correct this.

Citation

This belongs in your guide. Most GMs will rightly make this creature rare or justifiably say "no."

Sadly I can't update that reddit post, It tells me that it goes over 40000 characters and that editing is impossible.

If you go down you will find a link to a google doc where there is an updated version were I both mentioned Mark's response and corrected the reaction thing, among other changes.

I was asking why people are so fixated in that because I responded that I was going to edit it and people are still calling me out to do it when it is already fixed.

Also I'm trying to get this moved to the Advice sub forum, as other user suggested.


Maybe instead of moving, re-post in Advice and link the google doc instead of the Reddit thread. I think that is causing confusion.


I already did that, and another user told me to try moving this one. I already flagged this one, so I don't know if I've messed up.

I'm really new to this site, so don't know about where I'm supposed to do what.

Sadly the reddit thing seems imposible to correct -_-

Edit: If you see this, you would do me a favor by upvoting the reddit comment with the current link.


I have not read your guide yet, but am headed there now. My suggestion, is edit your reddit post as follows:

Find Archetypes, and after the header? Delete everything. Add in, "Please see the actively being updated Google Doc for more info! Link is both <here> and at the top!"

Then, Add to the top, as the very first thing, "This guide is a work in progress, and the full guide can be found <here> as a Google Doc, below you can find much of the same information.

While this is just one way to find space .... it will help people NOT get caught on details you've fixed ... because they SEE that you've fixed it.

Alternatively, cut out feats say 14~20., and refer to the doc, and leave in Archetypes.

Either way, I HIGHLY recommend cutting SOMETHING, to get your reference in at the top of the page.

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Moved to Advice.


Added the Google docs site to my resources pages.

Here: Pathfinder 2e resources.


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