Ablative Barrier, Invulnerable Rager, Stalwart, and Flesh Wound (Yeah...a bunch...)

[Cao Phen]

I am trying to do the correct mathematics here, but am sort of confused on how some stuff would work:

- So let us start with a Level 11 Invulnerable Rager Barbarian:

Invulnerable Barbarian:

At 2nd level, the invulnerable rager gains DR/— equal to half her barbarian level. This damage reduction is doubled against nonlethal damage.

He naturally has DR 5/-, DR/10- against nonlethal. Stalwart states that when fighting defensively, you can a DR/- equal to the bonus that you would have gained to AC (Dodge) when using that action:

Stalwart:

While using the total defense action, fighting defensively action, or Combat Expertise, you can forgo the dodge bonus to AC you would normally gain to instead gain an equivalent amount of DR, to a maximum of DR 5/—, until the start of your next turn. This damage reduction stacks with DR you gain from class features, such as the barbarian's, but not with DR from any other source. If you are denied your Dexterity bonus to AC, you are also denied this DR.

So with Stalwart and its Improved counterpart (doubles the DR/- gained when using the action, this would bring the it to DR 11/- fighting defensively.

Would the extra DR/- apply double to nonlethal damage from the archetype?

- Now if the barbarian was to be touched by a caster who had Ablative Barrier:

Ablative Barrier:

Invisible layers of solid force surround and protect the target, granting that target a +2 armor bonus to AC. Additionally, the first 5 points of lethal damage the target takes from each attack are converted into nonlethal damage. Against attacks that already deal nonlethal damage, the target gains DR 5/—. Once this spell has converted 5 points of damage to nonlethal damage per caster level (maximum 50 points), the spell is discharged.

I know that the DR would not stack with the Base DR of the barbarian. However, the 5 Lethal-to-Nonlethal would still be in effect. So if a creature hits for 16 damage, 11 of it would be negated by fighitng defensively. The next 5 would convert to nonlethal. Would that be effected by the Damage Reduction again?

- Now let us say that Flesh Wound Rage Power is applied to the attack:

Flesh Wound:

Once per rage, the barbarian can try to avoid serious harm from an attack. The barbarian must make a Fortitude save with a DC equal to the damage that would be dealt by the attack. The barbarian’s armor check penalty applies on this saving throw. If the save succeeds, the barbarian takes half damage from the attack and the damage is nonlethal. The barbarian must elect to use this ability after the attack roll is made, but before the damage is rolled.

Emphasis mine. So now let us say that the Barbarian got hit for 40 damage. Would the DR be applied before the Fort Save, or after? Moreover, would the lethal-to-nonlethal damage conversion of Ablative Barrier be applied before or after the Fort Save.

This is my assumption:

- 40 damage - 11 (DR) - 5 (Ablative) = Fortitude DC 24 Save.
- Successful save = 24/2 = 12 Nonlethal.
- The nonlethal is then negated by the DR 22/- vs nonlethal damage of the Barbarian

This is a lot of factors into this calculation, so I want to make sure this is all correct before possibly applying this to a character.

[Cao Phen]

bump

[Rynjin]

Let's take this piece by piece.

1.) The extra DR from Stalwart shouldn't be doubled for nonlethal. That's specific to Invulnerable Rager DR.

2.) Pretty sure it counts both times, since it IS two types of damage. If something dealt 1d6 slashing damage and 1d6 fire, both your DR and Fire Resistance would apply, same deal here.

3.) The damage should be applied after. It says the damage that would be dealt (which is affected by your DR), not the damage that was rolled.

[lantzkev]

are you sure about point one? it specifically says that it stacks... I see the case either way, and I tend to err on the side of least power.

[Rynjin]

Stalwart and Barbarian DR stack, yes, but the Invulnerable Rager specifically says "this" DR doubles against nonlethal, not all DR the Barbarian may have from any source.

[Pupsocket]

Flesh Wound seems like it would go first - or at best, it would go last. But sandwiched in between layers of Damage Reduction? No.

[Mojorat]

The ccheck for fleshwound would likely need to be vs dr 40 for the nl dr to work. Having all the other dr apply first means your double dipping on your dr. Basically the wound was either a fleshwound all al9ng or it was not.