| Mr Smiles |
Ahem, I told my player he could not use vital strike as part of full round action he told me that wasn't fair because manyshot was basically the same thing except you could.
Many shot is firing two arrows not rolling the weapons damage die twice but in a sense it is the same thing.
I know there was talk of errata to make vital strike usable for a full round attack down the road.
My question is has this happened yet?
I can see why vital strike is only meant to be used as a standard action it's not really because of vital strike itself it's more because of improved and greater.
You can take manyshot at base attack +6 as long as you have rapid shot and point blank shot. Rapid shot gives you one extra attack. Which means I'm essentially getting to roll my damage die 4 times at base attack bonus +6 granted I have to make 3 separate attack rolls to hit with all damage dice.
If I could vital strike with a full round action at +6 base attack bonus I would get 3 damage die or 4 if I use two weapons with 2 or 3 separate attack rolls. Vital strike as is I think you get 2 damage die rolls vs many shots 4.
At BAB +11 improved vital strike would give me 6 damage die rolls if used with a full round attack. Manyshot would give me 5. Vital strike as is I think you get 3 damage die rolls vs many shots 5.
At BAB +16 greater vital strike would give me 8 damage die rolls if used with a full round attack. Manyshot would give me 6. Vital strike as is I think you get 4 damage die rolls vs many shots 6.
Just thinking out loud my question was can you use vital strike with a full round attack yet. I'm thinking the answer is still no just wanted to make sure.
| Claxon |
Vital Strike is its own Standard Action. So, it can only be done as a standard action, which means it automatically takes away the option to do a Full Attack action.
Manyshot is not the same thing as Vital Strike but for ranged attacks, because Vital Works on ranged attacks too. But you can't use Manyshot with vital strike.
And as far as I know, no one has ever discussed making vital strike as something that can be done as part of a full action at least not by designers or developers of the game.
Vital Strike is meant to replace the lost damage caused by melee combatants having to move into position to attack.
Archers get Manyshot because their damage per shot can cap out pretty low compared to melee weapons since they don't get scaling strength to damage like two handed weapons.
James Risner
Owner - D20 Hobbies
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errata to make vital strike usable for a full round attack down the road.
Vital strike had a change in wording on how the damage is done, but no change in the action type. They did however educate the player base on the meaning of the words. Specifically that using Vital Strike is a Standard Action that can not be combined with any other action.
So no there hasn't been Errata but yes you can't Vital Strike on a Full Attack, on a Charge, on a Cleave, on an Attack of Opportunity, or any thing else that is a free action, move action, or standard action that grants an attack. The only way you can Vital Strike is to do a Standard Action called Vital Strike.