Touch Spells Multiple Touches = 6 Attacks per round?


Rules Questions


Chill Touch:
Chill Touch
School necromancy; Level magus 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1

CASTING
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S

EFFECT
Range touch
Targets creature or creatures touched (up to one/level)
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw Fortitude partial or Will negates; see text; Spell Resistance yes

DESCRIPTION
A touch from your hand, which glows with blue energy, disrupts the life force of living creatures. Each touch channels negative energy that deals 1d6 points of damage. The touched creature also takes 1 point of Strength damage unless it makes a successful Fortitude saving throw. You can use this melee touch attack up to one time per level.

An undead creature you touch takes no damage of either sort, but it must make a successful Will saving throw or flee as if panicked for 1d4 rounds + 1 round per caster level.


This has been brought up before, but this FAQ has me wondering.
FAQ wrote:

If a spell allows multiple touches, are you considered to be holding the charge until all charges are expended?

Yes.

If you are considered to be holding the charge when casting a spell such as Chill Touch or Frostbite, then you are effectively using a spell that allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds. The rules for touch spells state that if the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, you can touch 6 creatures as a full-round action.

Does this mean a level 6 Wizard can touch 6 goblins as a full-round action the round after he casts Chill Touch?
Touch wrote:

Touch

You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit just as a weapon can. A touch spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit. Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell. If the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, touching 6 creatures is a full-round action.

Some people would say that this only applies if you are touching 6 willing creatures. I am having trouble finding any nonharmful spells that allow you to touch targets over multiple rounds. Do any spells such as this exist? Preferably spells that exist in the CRB since these spells are what the rules were based off of. If there aren't any then what could this rule about touch spells possibly be referring to?

To summarize this entire post, can you touch 6 hostile targets as a full-round action with spells such as Chill Touch and Frostbite?


If you are considered to be holding the charge when casting a spell such as Chill Touch or Frostbite, then you are effectively using a spell that allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds. The rules for touch spells state that if the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, you can touch 6 creatures as a full-round action.
Does this mean a level 6 Wizard can touch 6 goblins as a full-round action the round after he casts Chill Touch?

Touch wrote:

Touch

You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit just as a weapon can. A touch spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit. Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch up to 6 willing targets as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that

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If you have a BAB+enhancements high enough to allow you to make 6 attack rolls in a round, sure. If not...


Robert A Matthews wrote:

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This has been brought up before, but this FAQ has me wondering.
FAQ wrote:

If a spell allows multiple touches, are you considered to be holding the charge until all charges are expended?

Yes.

If you are considered to be holding the charge when casting a spell such as Chill Touch or Frostbite, then you are effectively using a spell that allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds. The rules for touch spells state that if the spell allows you to touch targets over multiple rounds, you can touch 6 creatures as a full-round action.

Does this mean a level 6 Wizard can touch 6 goblins as a full-round action the round after he casts Chill Touch?

If the goblins are willing (or helpless) yes. If they are not the wizard must make attack rolls and becomes limited by his BAB. You'll note the wording is touch 6 creatures, not attack 6 creatures. If they don't want to be touched then you must attack them to do so.

I also am not aware of any friendly spells that would become a held charge, so the additional explanation seems like a moot point. They should invent a healing spell or something that does so. Or a spell that enhances lower level beneficial spells to become multi-charge spells.


Of course nothing is stopping you from doing a full attack as normal. But the way this is written it appears to be different from a full attack. Ray spells target multiple creatures and are not limited by your BAB.


bbangerter said it imo: The wording is touching, not attacking. As he said if you have 6 unconcious creatures within reach then you'd be able to touch each of them, but if they are up and about you can't just touch them (unless they are willing) and you'd be forced to make an attack and then yes you'd be limited by BAB.

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Robert A Matthews wrote:
can you touch 6 hostile targets as a full-round action with spells such as Chill Touch and Frostbite?

Absolutely not, at least not using the rule you posted.

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