I'm under a greater invisibility spell but standing next to a monster. If I stay still I get +40 to my stealth, if I've moved a bit I get +20 to my stealth, but what happens if I'm using a vocal form of inspire courage? Or to a lesser effect, casting a spell.
Id assume inspiring in this manner would make my position obvious and leave me with a 50% miss chance. But could I use stealth to help?
I plan on using gr.invisibility as my main form of defence ( my AC sucks) because mirror image/blur/displacement don't really do much when you're invisible!
Ok... you are invisible. That alone is a DC20 Perception to try to spot por pinpoint you. Now you sing/talk/cast/jump on the dusty floor, and make make yourself pretty easy to be known that someone is in THAT square. What does invisibility say about that? There is a table in the Glossary! it explains it:
If standing still and doing nothing the DC is 40. If movoing slow 15, if fast 10, if singing/dancing/casting/charging the DC to spot you is down to 0.
And yes: behaving in such a manner still grants you total concealment, unless you happen to fight someone who ignores invisibility or you fight in a flourmill where your invisibility gets rendered useless as you get coated in visible particles.
I would rule that singing or casting a spell adds a penalty to your stealth check.
"Hear details of a conversation" is a DC 0 and "Hear the sounds of a creature walking" is a DC 10 according to perception.
Ehhh....I'm not sure how to rule on all the relevant rules, but ultimately it would be some very easy check to figure out what square you're in. In fact, I believe even with invisbility rules its a DC 20 perception check to note the location (square) an invisible creature is in. If you're singing out, but invisible I might make this a DC 5. Unlikely to fail, but possible if you're far away.
You would however still get the miss chance granted by invisibility even if the enemy knows where you are (similar to how scent works against enemies with invisibility).
Singing is DC0 to pinpoint, as said above, modified by distance: +1 per 10 feet.
There is a difference between noticing and pinpointing. Noticing singing is DC 0, certainly. Pinpointing it is not.
Think of it as seeing footprints in dust (notice presence of invisible creature), vs seeing footprints in dust as they are made (pinpoint invisible creature).
There is a difference between noticing and pinpointing. Noticing singing is DC 0, certainly. Pinpointing it is not.
Think of it as seeing footprints in dust (notice presence of invisible creature), vs seeing footprints in dust as they are made (pinpoint invisible creature).
Yeah, thats sort of what I was referring to with my statement about relevant rules.
Normally, its a DC 20 to pinpoint an invisible creature.
It is also normally a DC 0 to notice a singing creature (well actually any speaking creature, arguably loud singing should be even easier).
So the DC should range somewhere between 0 and 20 perception check to pinpoint a singing character.
