Dispel Magic to counterspell a Spell-Like Ability


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Shadow Lodge

Ok so I have been having this conversation with my GM and he wants some forum opinions so allow me to present the arguments.

Side 1: Dispel Magic can counter spell like abilities.

Arguments:
1.Spell Like abilities are dispelable. Dispel Magic, when used to counter spell is a targeted dispel (targets the caster). And thus does not fall under the general rule of not being able to counter spell-like abilities.

2.This idea is supported in 3.5 in the rules of the game blog. Even though the 3.5 spell says it can't.

3. Dispel magic as a spell like ability works the same way, otherwise it can't duplicate the spell.

Side 2: Dispel Magic cannot counter spell like abilities.

Arguments:
1.Both the spell and the magic chapter say that spell-like abilities cannot be countered. There is no exception.

2. Paizo has not said otherwise or an anyway duplicated the blog that WotC put out.

Thats the basics. Below are supporting documents. and I will clarify or updated as I can to help.
Dispel Magic.
Magic section.
WotC Rules of the Game: Spell Like Abilities.


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Core Rulebook wrote:
Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

You can't counter-spell a SLA as it is being cast, but you can dispel it AFTER it has been cast.


I wouldn't reference the WotC stuff. Time and time again, the design team has said they can't use those rules, and they went a different way.

But SlimGauge has the right of it. Dispel Magic has no text saying it's not bound by the "no counterspelling SLAs" rule.

See also here.

Shadow Lodge

All right, that about sums it up lol. I dug for an hour before posting the question but couldn't find that post. Thanks for the help Cheapy, as always you are a fount of knowledge.

Thank you as well slim gauge.


I concur. You cant counter spell an SLA, but you can dispel if afterwards.

Otherwise what chance do you have of getting rid of the Drows deeper darkness? Did you prepare a heightened light spell to 4th level? No? Sorry about your luck.


Chalk up one more for the "dispel but not counter" tally.

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Yeah, it says explicitly in the spell description that you can't counter-spell SLAs. I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.


I'm guessing that the terms "counter" and "dispel" are being unintentionally conflated.


RainyDayNinja wrote:
Yeah, it says explicitly in the spell description that you can't counter-spell SLAs. I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.

The early versions of CRB had an errata. One place said that SLA could be countered, another place said they could not. That combined with Pathfinder changing SLA to work more like spells implied that Paizo wanted to make SLAs able to be countered.


Does the alchemist's dispelling bomb count as a spell-like ability, or is it treated like a spell?

PRD wrote:
Dispelling Bomb: When the alchemist creates a bomb, he can choose to have it dispel magic effects instead of deal damage. Creatures that take a direct hit from a dispelling bomb are subject to a targeted dispel magic spell, using the alchemist's level as the caster level. This cannot be used to target a specific spell effect.

This seems to indicate it's the spell for all intents and purposes.

The reason I ask is in the event of a ring of counterspelling.

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