None Lethal Damage and sunder?


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Can I sunder someone while doing None lethal Damage and still destroy the item?


Will Pratt wrote:
Can I sunder someone while doing None lethal Damage and still destroy the item?

No. You cannot sunder someone, only something. And you cannot do non-lethal damage to a non-living object. So either way, non-lethal damage can never sunder.


Will Pratt, are you talking about when using Greater Sunder?

Greater Sunder (Combat):
Benefit: You receive a +2 bonus on checks made to sunder an item. This bonus stacks with the bonus granted by Improved Sunder. Whenever you sunder to destroy a weapon, shield, or suit of armor, any excess damage is applied to the item's wielder. No damage is transferred if you decide to leave the item with 1 hit point.

I'm not too particularly sure about this but there isn't any reason why you couldn't take the normal negative four to your attack roll to deal nonlethal overflow damage the person you've sundered.

VRMH any thoughts about the situation when you're applying greater sunder or do you still thing the same?

Liberty's Edge

You can't damage an item with non lethal damage, so your attack must deal lethal damage to sunder something.
If you are dealing lethal damage with an attack you can't transform it to non lethal halfway when applying the damage. Barring some weird weapon ability or some spell your damage is either all lethal or all non-lethal.


Diego Rossi wrote:

You can't damage an item with non lethal damage, so your attack must deal lethal damage to sunder something.

If you are dealing lethal damage with an attack you can't transform it to non lethal halfway when applying the damage. Barring some weird weapon ability or some spell your damage is either all lethal or all non-lethal.

Can you sunder with a Merciful weapon quality? However it would deal 'nonlethal' unless the weapon enchantment was suppressed then the point is moot. Saps 'only' deal nonlethal damage, so I guess you're out of luck Will.

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Core p174 wrote:
Immunities: Objects are immune to nonlethal damage and to critical hits.

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