Spellcasting Prestige Class Question


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Do prestige classes that boost spellcasting count as spellcasting classes?

Dark Archive

I wouldn't have thought so, since without a base class they don't get any spellcasting of their own. What's this in relation to?


I think context might matter for this answer.

For example, I think if you qualify for a PrC that boosts casting level without having levels in a spellcasting class (possible in some cases, IIRC), I don't think that the thought of boosting your casting level to 1 would qualify to meet a prerequisite for something else...

Grand Lodge

Jen the GM wrote:
Do prestige classes that boost spellcasting count as spellcasting classes?

It's been said before and it bears repeating. PrC's can not be used to qualify for themselves.

Now try dropping the coyness, and tell us the real agenda behind the question. You're much more likely to get a useful and accurate answer that way.


Jen the GM wrote:
Do prestige classes that boost spellcasting count as spellcasting classes?

No, not in general.

Some do, but they have their own spells per day table and spell list (and possibly a spells known table), and not just +1 to existing spellcasting class.


I think you guys may be reading too much into the question.

Are you trying to qualify for something that requires X levels in a spellcasting class? A PrC does increase faster level if that is what you're after, and I imagine it would count as levels in a spellcasting class as well.

Grand Lodge

Davick wrote:

I think you guys may be reading too much into the question.

No, I'm actually trying to encourage him to state what he really needs to find out, instead of hiding behind vagueness. The real problem is that he has couched his question in terms of overall absoluteness when the real answer is usually in the form that X counts for Y sometimes and sometimes not.


Fair enough. So essentially the idea is that I want to pick up some of the class features of other spellcasting PRCs without losing casting levels, since going mystic theurge in itself results in the loss of multiple caster levels.

So are you allowed to use, for example, Loremaster (+1 to spellcasting class), to advance mystic theurge, thereby picking up Loremaster class features instead of the very limited mystic theurge features, while still advancing your two base spellcasting classes?

I was looking for a general answer, but I think the above example will suffice to try and explain what I mean.


I would so, no.
Mystic Theurge does not have a caster level to be advanced. Levels of Mystic Theurge grants a bonus to casting levels of other classes.


From the PRD

under magic...
Caster Level
A spell's power often depends on its caster level, which for most spellcasting characters is equal to her class level in the class she's using to cast the spell.

There are exceptions to this:
Ranger
Through 3rd level, a ranger has no caster level. At 4th level and higher, his caster level is equal to his ranger level – 3.

Mystic Theurge
Spells per Day: When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously. He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly. If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class or more than one divine spellcasting class before he became a mystic theurge, he must decide to which class he adds each level of mystic theurge for the purpose of determining spells per day.

No mention of caster level for MT. It only adjusts other casting levels.


The Thing from Beyond the Edge wrote:

I would so, no.

Mystic Theurge does not have a caster level to be advanced. Levels of Mystic Theurge grants a bonus to casting levels of other classes.

Makes sense, that sounds reasonable.

Shadow Lodge

As an alternative, though, the Crimson (Red Mantis) Assassin Prestige Class provides a caster level of its own, so you could theoretically use Mystic Theurge to advance Crimson Assassin casting.

But yes, a PrC that advances other casting doesn't count for purposes of prestige classes advancing casting ability. PrCs that have their own casting power do.

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Jen the GM wrote:
So are you allowed to use, for example, Loremaster (+1 to spellcasting class), to advance mystic theurge, thereby picking up Loremaster class features instead of the very limited mystic theurge features, while still advancing your two base spellcasting classes?

No.

Spell casting classes have a chart of spell slots per day.

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