Kitsune Fox Shape duration (and similar feats)


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I am curious on the duration of Fox shape and similarly worded feats.

Fox Shape:

Fox Shape (Kitsune)

You can change into a fox in addition to your other forms.

Prerequisites: Cha 13, base attack bonus +3, kitsune.

Special: A kitsune may select this feat any time she would gain a feat.

Benefit: You can take the form of a fox whose appearance is static and cannot be changed each time you assume this form. Your bite attack’s damage is reduced to 1d3 points of damage on a hit, but you gain a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear as a fox. Changing from kitsune to fox shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as beast shape II, and your ability scores change accordingly.

I assumed that this modified their existing change shape, meaning that the duration was indefinite, but a fellow group member pointed out that all feats that say "This ability otherwise functions as X," where X is referring to a spell, that they follow that spells duration also. I see the word "function" as just the spells text that outlines what it does rather than the upper text meaning duration, material components, verbal/somatic, etc. (I know spell-likes specifically call out not needing verbal/somatic/material, but I don't even know for sure if this feat is spell-like).

Since this is a feat I would argue that feats have no duration unless specified, and this doesn't specify. So feats that function like spells but do not say spell-like or supernatural... do things like the spells duration apply?

Thanks! :)


When it says "in addition to your other forms" that indicates to me that it functions like the kitsune change shape.

Change Shape (Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune
always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains
a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability
otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune
does not adjust her ability scores.

At worst, it lasts 1 minute per level and seems to work at will, so you can just keep spending a standard action every X minutes to keep it going.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

When it says "in addition to your other forms" that indicates to me that it functions like the kitsune change shape.

Change Shape (Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex. The kitsune
always takes this specific form when she uses this ability. A kitsune in human form cannot use her bite attack, but gains
a +10 racial bonus on Disguise checks made to appear human. Changing shape is a standard action. This ability
otherwise functions as alter self, except that the kitsune
does not adjust her ability scores.

At worst, it lasts 1 minute per level and seems to work at will, so you can just keep spending a standard action every X minutes to keep it going.

Changing from kitsune to fox shape is a standard action. This ability otherwise functions as beast shape II, and your ability scores change accordingly.

Ability scores do change which is different enough to me from the base ability to differentiate it from your base form.

You can change into a fox in addition to your other forms.

This is written in the flavor text not the rules so it should not not be read as RAW.

I would say it functions as BS2 and lasts for min per level with the Kitsunes level to determine duration.

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