Mystic Theurge and caster level


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Hi! I'm going to play a Mystic Theurge in a PF game but I have a few questions about caster levels.

I did my homework and searched a bit on the message board and here is what I found : if you have 2 caster classes, you combine your levels when it comes to meeting prerequisites (ex : for Item Creation feats) but keep them appart when casting spells (casting a healing spell only uses your cleric caster level, not you wizard's). Am I right?

If I am right, is there a way I could get them to add togheter?

Thanks!

Liberty's Edge

No, you do not add your caster level for creating items. You keep them separate for all purposes. And no, there is no way to add them together. (That would be EXTREMELY over powered.)


But then, I guess it means my theurge level would not stack as well (since it isn't writen in the book)... I would then always have an effective wizard level of 3 and an effective cleric level of 3... That just doesn't make any sense.


ShadowcatX wrote:
No, you do not add your caster level for creating items. You keep them separate for all purposes. And no, there is no way to add them together. (That would be EXTREMELY over powered.)

You do add them together for meeting the prerequisite of taking the feat - that's specifically what the OP mentioned. If the item creation feat requires "Caster level 4", and you have 2 levels of Cleric and 2 levels of Sorcerer, you can take the feat.

Liberty's Edge

Nagaruo365 wrote:
But then, I guess it means my theurge level would not stack as well (since it isn't writen in the book)... I would then always have an effective wizard level of 3 and an effective cleric level of 3... That just doesn't make any sense.

Your mystic theurge level specifically advances both divine and arcane casting. That includes caster level.

Xaratherus wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:
No, you do not add your caster level for creating items. You keep them separate for all purposes. And no, there is no way to add them together. (That would be EXTREMELY over powered.)
You do add them together for meeting the prerequisite of taking the feat - that's specifically what the OP mentioned. If the item creation feat requires "Caster level 4", and you have 2 levels of Cleric and 2 levels of Sorcerer, you can take the feat.

No you do not. You have caster level 2 twice. You do not have caster level 4.


I stand corrected. Just found a post from SKR to that end. Not sure I agree with it but it's the Rules forum, not the Xaratherus's Rules forum.

Dark Archive

Your Mystic theurge levels do stack. In the section on spells per day for MT it says this (I bolded the needed section):

Quote:
Spells per Day: When a new mystic theurge level is gained, the character gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in any one arcane spellcasting class he belonged to before he added the prestige class and any one divine spellcasting class he belonged to previously. He does not, however, gain other benefits a character of that class would have gained. This essentially means that he adds the level of mystic theurge to the level of whatever other arcane spellcasting class and divine spellcasting class the character has, then determines spells per day, spells known, and caster level accordingly. If a character had more than one arcane spellcasting class or more than one divine spellcasting class before he became a mystic theurge, he must decide to which class he adds each level of mystic theurge for the purpose of determining spells per day.

Note your mystic Theurge levels do stack with Wizard and Cleric, but Wizard and Cleric do not stack with eachother.

For example, if you are a 3 Wiz/4 Cleric/ 2 Mystic Theurge, your casting levels are thus:

Wizard = 5 (3wiz + 2 MT)
Cleric = 6 (4 cleric + 2 MT)

You can use either of these to make magic items. This is one of the special features of the Mystic Theurge class.

Liberty's Edge

Xaratherus wrote:
I stand corrected. Just found a post from SKR to that end. Not sure I agree with it but it's the Rules forum, not the Xaratherus's Rules forum.

It has been that way at least since 3.5. I don't remember if it was that way in 3.0.

Dark Archive

ShadowcatX wrote:
Xaratherus wrote:
I stand corrected. Just found a post from SKR to that end. Not sure I agree with it but it's the Rules forum, not the Xaratherus's Rules forum.
It has been that way at least since 3.5. I don't remember if it was that way in 3.0.

Yeah, it was a sad day when we changed away from Xaratherus's Rules forum to the more general Rules Questions... j/k

I think that the change was 3.5, but would have to check my books again. Honestly it hardly ever came up in most games that I was in.


I honestly only GMed 3.5 a handful of times, and it never really came up in the games that I ran because they tended to be dungeon crawls, so Craft feats weren't really taken, since they wouldn't be used.

I played 3.5 pretty frequently, but when I found out that crafting items had an XP cost associated with it, I decided it wasn't worth it.

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