| Raziel_888 |
Hello.
This is my first post on this forum and i'd like to apologize in advance if my English is not that good (not my first langage) and also if my topic is in the wrong forum.
I found a lot of topics about the MT but found none that quite answer my questions.
So i'm playing pathfinder with a group of friends, most of which are new players. They are actually 6th level but we aim at high level games later. In the group, there will be only on straight spellcaster: a druid, but until now she doesn't rely quite much on magic... I first wanted to play straight sorcerer or orcacle (spontaneous casting is better according to my background... and because i like it) but i'm also fond of the mystic theurge concept. Yeah mostly the concept since almost everybody accords to say that he takes to much delay in spell levels and spellcasting levels.
I've already found the "undefeatable" supplement about MT which provides feats more or less usefull. There is a feat that allows a MT to add his MT levels to sorcerer ones to "unlock" spells from his bloodline so my first question would be more of a confirmation: can we assume that creating a equivalent feat for the oracle isn't overpowered?
Then i've been thinking: if i go Sor/Ora/MT (yes i know, it's not optimal but with some adjustement it may be fun to play), i'd fall 4 levels behind a straight caster but when you look at the dragon disciple or some other prestige class, they also lack 3 levels in caster progression so i'm ready to take that power takedown for versatility. What i feel is a little "unbalanced" is that for the DD, you gain caster levels, abilities from the class, a huge hit dice AND its levels stack with the sorcerer ones to determine bloodline powers.
So there it comes finally, my question is: would it be overpowered to design new feats for the MT to stack his levels in MT with another spellcasting class (so two feats for two classes) to have access to the bloodlines or mystery features? In the end, let's say Sor5/Ora5/MT10, you would have the ability to cast spells from the two lists but lower-leveled (7th level whereas a straight caster would have 9th), and the bloodline powers (until 15th level one, that would mean unlock as a MT the 9th and 15th level powers), bloodlines spells, revelations from mystery and mystery spells using in all 4 feats?
My point here is to try to make a MT that would be fun to play with spontaneous spellcasting class (that aren't better than prepared ones, especially if you take off their class features) but i don't want to design my own overpowered class just because i'm the "most experienced" player of my group (so as i introduced them to the rules and as we change GMs from quest to quest, i can't realy ask my GM...). So that's why i'm here seaking for advices.
Thanks in advance!
| LoneKnave |
You can get the MT quite a lot faster by using Aasimar SLAs to get th requirements. This means you'll give up less spell levels (you'll be essentially giving up only 1 from your "secondary" caster). Note though that MT only goes up until 10th level, so you will have to round it up in the end.
As for bloodlines, you can take the Eldritch Heritage feats to round them out a bit, and your curse advances on it's own, plus you can take extra revelation to keep up with revelations. Very feat intensive to do so, admittedly.
| Raziel_888 |
You can get the MT quite a lot faster by using Aasimar SLAs to get th requirements. This means you'll give up less spell levels (you'll be essentially giving up only 1 from your "secondary" caster). Note though that MT only goes up until 10th level, so you will have to round it up in the end.
As for bloodlines, you can take the Eldritch Heritage feats to round them out a bit, and your curse advances on it's own, plus you can take extra revelation to keep up with revelations. Very feat intensive to do so, admittedly.
I've seen that thing with Aasimar or Tiefling spell-like abilities but i do not see a spell-like ability as the ability to cast second level spells.
In fact, i'm not trying to enter the class earlier (personnaly, i would have taken the option/house rule to make the requirements either 3rd level classes (instead of 2nd spell levels) or 2nd level classes and 5 ranks in the skill (for me a prestige class should not be available before at least level 6). I just try to "fix" the MT for classes that rely also on class features so i wouldn't have to give them up.Eldritch Heritage is good but its about powers from other bloodlines and it's a chain but when you enter MT you already have 1st and 3rd levels powers. But yeah that's a good idea, maybe by adapting it so you can just upgrade your own bloodline? I forgot about extra revelation, it could work. The problem with these two feats is that most of the bloodline powers or mystery révélations work on sorcerer/oracle levels so... almost nothing... :s
You may also be able to homebrew MT as a 15lvl class. That would help quite a bit
This would be fun but contrasts with other prestige class. I also saw the MT as a base class which seems awesome (http://pathfinder.dotq.org/2013/09/09/mystic-theurge/) but wouldn't it be way too powerfull?
ShadowcatX
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LoneKnave wrote:I've seen that thing with Aasimar or Tiefling spell-like abilities but i do not see a spell-like ability as the ability to cast second level spells.You can get the MT quite a lot faster by using Aasimar SLAs to get th requirements. This means you'll give up less spell levels (you'll be essentially giving up only 1 from your "secondary" caster). Note though that MT only goes up until 10th level, so you will have to round it up in the end.
As for bloodlines, you can take the Eldritch Heritage feats to round them out a bit, and your curse advances on it's own, plus you can take extra revelation to keep up with revelations. Very feat intensive to do so, admittedly.
The paizo staff does.
That aside, a few feats designed to boost mystic theurge aren't going to over power the class without early entry, and had the APG been out when mystic theurge undefeatable came out it probably would have included an option for the oracle.