Tengu Feat Questions


Rules Questions


I actually have a couple questions regarding tengu feats, and I hoping someone can help sort them out.

Question 1

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Tengu Wings - Once per day, you can sprout a pair of giant black crow's wings, granting you a fly speed of 30 feet (average maneuverability). This spell-like ability otherwise functions as beast shape I (though you do not gain any other benefits of that spell) with a caster level equal to your level.

a) When using this ability, does the tengu lose access to gear, natural attacks, etc (I only ask because it says it functions like beast shape 1, which is of course a polymorphic effect)

b) What action is required to use this ability (standard, swift, free?)

Question 2

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Tengu Raven Form - Once per day, you can take the form of a Large black bird resembling a raven, granting you a fly speed of 60 feet (good maneuverability), a +4 size bonus to your Strength, a –2 penalty to your Dexterity, and a +4 natural armor bonus. This spell-like ability otherwise functions as beast shape II with a caster level equal to your level.

a) Does this ability stack with Tengu Wings? (in other words, can you still use Tengu Raven Form once per day, and then also use Tengu Wings on the same day as well)

b) When using this ability, does the tengu lose access to gear, natural attacks, etc (again I ask because it says it functions like beast shape 2, which is of course a polymorphic effect)

c) What action is required to use this ability (standard, swift, free?)

Question 3

Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Long-Nose Form - Once per day, you can assume the form of a human whose nose is the length of your beak. This spell-like ability functions as alter self with a caster level equal to your level. While in this form you gain the scent ability and a +2 bonus to your Strength score. Because your long nose in this form clearly indicates you are not fully human, you do not gain the normal bonus to Disguise checks for using a polymorph effect (however, you could possibly explain the nose as an unfortunate curse or deformity, or hide it with an item such as a plague doctor's mask).

a) When using this ability, does a tengu lose access to its natural attacks?

b) What action is required to use this ability?

I'm assuming all these abilities are standard actions to activate, but what confuses me is what happens when you use tengu wings and tengu raven form. My 'guess' is that tengu wings simply grant you a fly speed, and thus have no effect on your gear, natural attacks, etc. However, tengu raven form seems is a little harder to interpret: part of thinks it acts as a special 'enlarge person' ability, in that you don't lose access to your natural attacks or gear. Then again, I get the impression that because you transform into a large 'raven', you actually do lose access to your gear and natural attacks (though this begs the question: what kind of natural attacks would the 'large bird' have?).

Again, if anyone can help clarify, that would be great. Thanks again.


Oh, and one last question: would a tengu with the 'travel domain' get the +10 speed boost to movement when they use tengu wings (or tengu raven form), thus giving them 40 feet fly speed and 70 feet fly speed respectively.

Grand Lodge

1a)No, you do not lose anything because you only grow a pair of wings.
Below is the portion from the Polymorph subschool section of the PRD that is relevant.

Polymorph subschool:
PRD wrote:

When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body. Items that provide constant bonuses and do not need to be activated continue to function while melded in this way (with the exception of armor and shield bonuses, which cease to function). Items that require activation cannot be used while you maintain that form. While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak, such as a dragon. Other polymorph spells might be subject to this restriction as well, if they change you into a form that is unlike your original form (subject to GM discretion). If your new form does not cause your equipment to meld into your form, the equipment resizes to match your new size.

While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form.

1b)Spell-like abilities are standard unless stated otherwise.
Relevant material is in bold below.
Spell-like UMR:
PRD wrote:
A spell-like ability usually has a limit on how often it can be used. A constant spell-like ability or one that can be used at will has no use limit; unless otherwise stated, a creature can only use a constant spell-like ability on itself. Reactivating a constant spell-like ability is a swift action. Using all other spell-like abilities is a standard action unless noted otherwise, and doing so provokes attacks of opportunity. It is possible to make a concentration check to use a spell-like ability defensively and avoid provoking an attack of opportunity, just as when casting a spell. A spell-like ability can be disrupted just as a spell can be. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

2a)Yes they stack, they are two separate abilities with their own 1/day uses. It would state in the Raven form if it used the Wings usage.
2b)Yes, see polymorph spoiler above.
2c)Standard, same as Wings.
3a)Yes, you take on a form that does not share them.
3b)Standard, same as the others.
As for the attacks you get for the Raven form you would have to look at the Polymorph subschool again.
Polymorph Subschool:
PRD wrote:
In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses.

4)I believe the travel domain should add to any base movement speed of the form you have.

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