I'm looking for a good necromancer build that involves high charisma and a god-like diplomacy skill. The idea isn't necessarily to have a massively large number of controlled undead, but be able to create intelligent undead that you can easily convince to be a follower that would be willing to die for you.
Obviously, the build doesn't optimize until you can cast create undead. I'm thinking a Sorcerer build of some sort, but if anyone could give me a general direction to go in, I would appreciate it. No need for a full build unless one is already made that I haven't been able to find.
Alignment is an irrelevant consideration in the matter.
Oracle?
oracle will give you charisma based casting and reanimate dead and create undead at an earlier level than sorcerer. Also with the Juju mystery you can improve your undead creations a little.
Consider trying an Oracle with the Juju mystery. They do a lot with undead. A Cleric with the Undead Lord archetype gets good use out of high Charisma to use the channeling ability to heal them. They also get the ability Corpse Companion which I think allows you to animate something without needing to spend the money on black pearls.
I don't see how an oracle gets create undead sooner. Both classes get 6th level spells at level 12. Am I missing something?
And I've seen the condemnation of the Undead Lord enough times to know its useless.
I need to add that this character will likely have to travel alone with no support, probably a level 4 or 5 start. Healing spells are handy on the one hand, but blasting is handy on the other.
You never specified anything about getting the spell sooner. The advantage of the Juju Oracle is that they have a higher hitdice cap for controlling undead. Also, unless I'm mistaken sorcerers have no way to heal their undead, right? So a cleric or oracle would be good for keeping your undead alive and not spending resources constantly animating new ones. Also looking at this:
Animate Dead, Lesser
Source Ultimate Magic
School necromancy [evil]; Level cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 3
It seems the cleric can begin creating undead by level 3, the oracle by lvl 4, and the sorcer lvl 6.
Didn't they re-design the Juju Oracle recently to be more Domination-based; instead of animate dead, they're supposed to be about possessing live people with spirits.
That's possible. I just checked D20pfsrd and it stil has the animating undead stuff in there as well as the charm/dominate stuff. Is it different elsewhere?
I was talking about what Threeshades was saying. Grammatically, she states that an Oracle gets Create Undead at a lower level than a Sorcerer, which is not true.
Oracle is definitely looking like the better option. Thanks. There's even a build I can work off of and alter a little bit.
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Here's a good sample of what can be done with a high charisma oracle necromancer.
Or, if the GM allows 3rd party products, you could give the Death Mage a try.
One of my players played one and he was really happy with it. The class is a little bit to far on the powerful side in my opinion though, if played right.
Lots of oracles here, so I'll suggest an alternative: Cha focused Dhampir Cleric with Command Undead and Undead Master, with all favoured class into +1 to the caster level of any channeling feat used to affect undead.
Just focus on buff or no save spells for your cleric spells and you wouldn't miss the lower casting stat too much.
Lots of oracles here, so I'll suggest an alternative: Dhampir Cleric with Command Undead and Undead Master, with all favoured class into +1 to the caster level of any channeling feat used to affect undead.
This wins the pure flavor contest for sure. Probably decently effective too.
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Here's a good sample of what can be done with a high charisma oracle necromancer.
This could be a HELL of a villian for Mythic Heroes...plus i love how the character sheet is well written and detailed. I'd have to check of the magic items and undead creatures though, never played with a necromancer before.
Here's a good sample of what can be done with a high charisma oracle necromancer.This could be a HELL of a villian for Mythic Heroes...plus i love how the character sheet is well written and detailed. I'd have to check of the magic items and undead creatures though, never played with a necromancer before.
I have a non-mythic version of the character too, if that will help inspire people better.
I always liked bones oracle myself.
I was talking about what Threeshades was saying. Grammatically, she states that an Oracle gets Create Undead at a lower level than a Sorcerer, which is not true.
Oracle is definitely looking like the better option. Thanks. There's even a build I can work off of and alter a little bit.
I phrased that wrong, with creating undead i meant not the spell, but making undead at all, which would begin with animate dead, which is a lower level spell in the cleric/oracle list, thanin the sorcerer/wizard list. The spell create undead is the same level for both. This is just a small but for your build goal ultimately rather irrelevant advamtage i thought i'd mention in case you start your character at level 4 or lower.