All magic items have a LI in their description. In my group we always have interpreted the LI of the creator as a requirement, just yesterday we discover that it isn't. So a lvl 3 wizard can create a Belt of Giant Strength +2... we all are a little disappointed. Then what is the use of the LI listed in any magic item? If a ipotetic lvl 3 wizard want to create a Belt of Giant Strength+2 the DC to create it is 13 (5+8 where 8 is the LI listed in the item) or 8 (5+3 where 3 is the LI of the wizard)? Also creator can take 10 to the d20 result for create a magical item?
Sorry for my bad english
The caster level of the item is important if it is the target of a Dispel Magic. It also influences the duration, range, and power of any temporary effects. The Belt in question doesn't have any, so it's less immediately relevant.
Thanks for the reply, but I still don't know the answer for my other questions
If you're crafting in a village or in an inn or something, you can take 10 on the check as you're not in any real danger (unless it presents itself during your crafting process, but most GM's don't pull that kind of stuff).
If you're crafting while out adventuring, not only are you pressured, but it takes you twice (almost 4 times) as long as you would when in a village, nullifying any capability to take 10.
As far as CL's go, the Caster Level cited for an item is the general amount to show the item's listed power. If you lowered it, it does make it easier to dispel, and some of the abilities of items (which can be based on Caster Level) are diminished, but it costs less and takes less time to craft; plus, it's easier to craft.
The caster can decrease or increase the caster level listed for the item, but the cost, DC, and Time needed to craft all change (though dispel check needed to temporarily disable the item is higher, and some of the powers also increase, primarily duration or perhaps uses per day; Boots of Speed with CL higher or lower would probably adjust the amount of rounds you can use it per day).
**Edit** Also by the rules, besides creating Potions, the only crafting requirements absolutely needed in order to create the item is the Craft feat listed under the item's requirements to craft. However, any criteria not met for the requirements makes crafting the item much harder. For each condition not met for the requirements (outside of the Crafting Feat, which is required to even make it at all) add an additional +5 to the total DC needed to craft. So if the Wizard doesn't have Bull's Strength, the total DC would be 5 + 5 + 8 = DC 18 Spellcraft check in order to create it.
Ninja-editted...
You know, any of those belts could be set at CL-3, including the Physical Perfection ones. That makes it pretty easy for a low-level to make a lot of items, given time and money. It makes me think they should re-think the CLs as requirements.
Pretty easy? Where are your players getting the money for that stuff?
ok, thanks everyone =), now is all clear
Can I create a item with a LI higher than my LI? Example a lv 3 wizard can create a lv 8 belt of Strenght ?
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i house rule that too. magic is unstable. you're already working in calm quiet conditions with good tools just to be able to make it at all. trying to remain as calm as possible while working with these magical forces is stressful in and of itself. so while its allowed RAW to take 10 on it ( i think its in a FAQ somewhere? ) i house rule that the other way =P
i also up the DC by 5 if you're creating it at a CL less than the CL of the item. ( aka. i still treat it as a requirement, bypass it at +5 to the DC ) as a house rule.
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All magic items have a LI in their description.
What is a LI? I see people responding as if you said CL, or caster level, so I'm guessing they're equivalent, but I'm curious, as I've never seen LI before.
Then what is the use of the LI listed in any magic item?
Assuming LI is the same as CL, the listed LI is the default LI of the item. It's used for items found as random drops, or where a crafts-person is making a default one with no adjustments. It decides the difficulty, the DC, of the crafting check, and the difficulty against which Dispel Magic must pass to dispel the magic item's effect.
If a ipotetic lvl 3 wizard want to create a Belt of Giant Strength+2 the DC to create it is 13 (5+8 where 8 is the LI listed in the item) or 8 (5+3 where 3 is the LI of the wizard)?
The crafting check is always 5 + the LI of the item, with adjustments for whether the crafter is rushing the crafting, and whether they meet all the prerequisites for crafting the item in question. In this hypothetical example, the crafting check is 5 + 8 = 13, the default check for a standard Belt of Giant Strength. This assumes the crafter is crafting at normal speed and has all the prerequisites, namely Craft Wondrous Item and Bull's Strength. Changes can be made to this, which I'll talk more about later, but this is the default, basic check.
Also creator can take 10 to the d20 result for create a magical item?
Yes, as clarified in the FAQ on the Core Rulebook (CRB), you can take 10 on crafting rolls, as long as you meet the normal requirements for Taking 10, specifically "When your character is not in immediate danger or distracted".
Can I create a item with a LI higher than my LI? Example a lv 3 wizard can create a lv 8 belt of Strenght ?
Yes, you can. In the Pearl of Power FAQ, it is made clear that a crafter can set the LI to any level he likes, so long as the item meets the minimum LI needed for that item's prerequisites. So, Bull's Strength, being a 2nd level spell, requires a 3rd level caster, so the minimum LI would be 3. A level 1 crafter could make a Belt of Giant's Strength, but he couldn't make the Belt with a LI of 1. The minimum is decided by the item and its prerequisites, which is still 3.
If the craftsperson wants to speed up crafting, he can double his work speed by adding +5 to the crafting check. For each item prerequisite he fails to meet, he can add +5 to the crafting check. This does not include the crafting feats. So, for the Belt, he could ignore the requirement for the Bull's Strength spell and add 5 to the crafting difficulty, but he could not ignore the requirement for Craft Wondrous Items. These modifiers do not have any effect on the LI of the item.
All magic items have a LI in their description.What is a LI? I see people responding as if you said CL, or caster level, so I'm guessing they're equivalent, but I'm curious, as I've never seen LI before.
Sorry, I'm used to write "LI" instead of "CL" becausa I'm Italian. Thanks for the Summary!
The cursed item system is pretty bad. From a flavor standpoint, I'd expect a near-success to produce a minor cursed item instead of a flavor. You know, the wand of bless that also turns the target's skin blue for 24 hours, or as a 25% failure rate and spits out tiny little archons instead.
I ended up houseruling this instead. Failure by 4 or less always makes a cursed item, but the creator can identify the curse using the usual DC for identifying a magic item, and if they do so at the time of creation then they should (usually) be able to prepare themselves to prevent the curse from attaching to them (e.g., no "can't throw away" effect, and plenty of time to put down the scarab of death before the curse activates). Failure by 5 or more creates a cursed item as usual.
Frankly, it's way more fun to end up with an . . . eccentric magic item than it is to just go "Whoops, you lost all your golds". And it almost never comes up anyway, as I know very few players who will attempt to craft items above their take 10 DC.