| lemeres |
You get sneak attack on a target as long as they are denied their DEX bonus to Ac, so I would assume that you can get a full attack off in the surprise round. After the surprise round, the opponents start to act and get to get their DEX bonus.
It might be hard to restealth after sniping, and I am unsure if it would help at all for sneak attacks. Try to get invisibility when you can since it allows you to ignore opponents' DEX bonus and it counteract the penalties to stealth for sniping.
Ninjas get the vanish trick for this kind of purpose, spending 1 ki and the swift action for this ability; rogues can technically pull this off through a rogue talent that grants ninja tricks and another that gives a ki pool, but the latter trick is far worse since it does not scale with level and only gives you your WIS mod's worth of ki. Vivisectionists might be best for this trick since they gain spells.
| awp832 |
During the surprise round you would only get a standard action, there's no way he could full attack.
Sniping limits you to one attack, so you would not be able to use manyshot with it at all, if you are referring to the actual rules for sniping.
If instead you are referring to making your attacks from stealth, possibly in concealment, then yes, the second arrow in Manyshot would get sneak attack.
It is possible to stealth after they have acted, but only if you are not being observed and you have adequate cover or concealment, realistically this is impossible to do except in the case of Sniping (which I already talked about), or if you have Hide in Plain Sight.
MrJello
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During the surprise round you would only get a standard action, there's no way he could full attack.
Sniping limits you to one attack, so you would not be able to use manyshot with it at all, if you are referring to the actual rules for sniping.
If instead you are referring to making your attacks from stealth, possibly in concealment, then yes, the second arrow in Manyshot would get sneak attack.
It is possible to stealth after they have acted, but only if you are not being observed and you have adequate cover or concealment, realistically this is impossible to do except in the case of Sniping (which I already talked about), or if you have Hide in Plain Sight.
Usually it ends up that my brother stands at a corner to attack, then he hides behind it. So can he restealth there, take a 5 foot step, full round attack and get sneak from many shot?
| awp832 |
No, there is no way that I can think of to do this.
He would begin the round in stealth behind a corner.
He then 5 foot steps out and attacks. Under the normal stealth rules, when he leaves cover, he will be noticed automatically. Under the "breaking stealth" rules it says that it's possible, if you begin your round stealthed, to maintain stealth so long as you end your move in an area that has cover. But he can't take another 5 foot step this round, so he can not do this, unless the square he has 5 foot stepped to also has cover.... which would be very odd because cover usually means difficult terrain. You can not make a 5 foot step into difficult terrain. Beyond that, whatever cover he was using to hide himself would probably obstruct his shot.
It also says his stealth would end as soon as he makes an attack, meaning that if he somehow got around all of this, there is still a second hurdle that means that he would only get sneak attack damage on the very first arrow fired, and that would mean only "half" of a multishot.
Stepping out of cover, making an attack, and stepping back into cover is called Sniping. It's covered very clearly in the rules. You get to make one attack, your stealth check is at a -20 penalty.
MrJello
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No, there is no way that I can think of to do this.
He would begin the round in stealth behind a corner.
He then 5 foot steps out and attacks. Under the normal stealth rules, when he leaves cover, he will be noticed automatically. Under the "breaking stealth" rules it says that it's possible, if you begin your round stealthed, to maintain stealth so long as you end your move in an area that has cover. But he can't take another 5 foot step this round, so he can not do this, unless the square he has 5 foot stepped to also has cover.... which would be very odd because cover usually means difficult terrain. You can not make a 5 foot step into difficult terrain. Beyond that, whatever cover he was using to hide himself would probably obstruct his shot.
It also says his stealth would end as soon as he makes an attack, meaning that if he somehow got around all of this, there is still a second hurdle that means that he would only get sneak attack damage on the very first arrow fired, and that would mean only "half" of a multishot.
Stepping out of cover, making an attack, and stepping back into cover is called Sniping. It's covered very clearly in the rules. You get to make one attack, your stealth check is at a -20 penalty.
So with shot on the run can he move out any type of cover, shoot then go back behind cover and get his sneak attack?? This is such a pain....almost seems like another worthless archtype.
| awp832 |
oh. you must mean the Sniper archetype for rogue. You maybe should have specified that in the OP, that wasn't clear to me.
However, it doesn't really make any difference, I looked over the archetype, there isn't much in there that helps you gain sneak attack on a ranged weapon, other than being able to do it from further away.
Usually the best way to do this is to be effectively invisible to your enemy. Either by Improved Invisibility, or Darkness/Darkvision. That way you do not have to rely on stealth rolls. Also if you have a friendly caster in the party to cast Blindness, you can get sneak attack on ranged attacks, or if there is a Combat Manuver Specialist, you can use dirty trick to blind, thereby being able to get in sneak attacks.
It takes some combo-ing to do what you want.