| TLO3 |
Spellstrike (Su)
At 2nd level, whenever a magus casts a spell with a range of “touch” from the magus spell list, he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack. Instead of the free melee touch attack normally allowed to deliver the spell, a magus can make one free melee attack with his weapon (at his highest base attack bonus) as part of casting this spell. If successful, this melee attack deals its normal damage as well as the effects of the spell. If the magus makes this attack in concert with spell combat, this melee attack takes all the penalties accrued by spell combat melee attacks. This attack uses the weapon’s critical range (20, 19–20, or 18–20 and modified by the keen weapon property or similar effects), but the spell effect only deals ×2 damage on a successful critical hit, while the weapon damage uses its own critical modifier.
As long as the sorcerer spell also exists on the Magus spell list (which shocking grasp does) then the answer is yes.
| TLO3 |
Cuttler - The Magus needs the Broad Study arcana (minimum level 6) to do this.
Broad study is only required for spells that aren't on the Magus spell list. Shocking grasp already is on the magus spell list so it can be used with spellstrike via any class that provides it.
If he had levels in cleric and wanted to spellstrike inflict spells then he would need broad study.
LazarX
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mellowgoth wrote:Cuttler - The Magus needs the Broad Study arcana (minimum level 6) to do this.
Broad study is only required for spells that aren't on the Magus spell list. Shocking grasp already is on the magus spell list so it can be used with spellstrike via any class that provides it.
If he had levels in cleric and wanted to spellstrike inflict spells then he would need broad study.
If he's using it from his sorcerer spell slots, than Broad Study is required. Sorcery spellcasting while simmilar is not magus spellcasting, you need the arcana to adapt it.
| TLO3 |
Generally you'll find that multi-classing magus is simply not worth the candle. You suffer in BAB if you do it with another spellcasting class, and you suffer greatliy in not progressing the magus class features.
This is true, but I could see someone making a build with a single dip in magus for spellstrike and spell combat.
Magus 1/Wizard 5/Eldritch knight would be an interesting build if you wanted spell combat with 9th level spells. You just wouldn't be able to use spellstrike or spell combat for spells not on both lists.
| TLO3 |
TLO3 wrote:If he's using it from his sorcerer spell slots, than Broad Study is required. Sorcery spellcasting while simmilar is not magus spellcasting, you need the arcana to adapt it.mellowgoth wrote:Cuttler - The Magus needs the Broad Study arcana (minimum level 6) to do this.
Broad study is only required for spells that aren't on the Magus spell list. Shocking grasp already is on the magus spell list so it can be used with spellstrike via any class that provides it.
If he had levels in cleric and wanted to spellstrike inflict spells then he would need broad study.
Broad Study (Ex)
Prerequisite: Magus 6, levels in another spellcasting class
Benefit: The magus selects another one of his spellcasting classes. The magus can use his spellstrike and spell combat abilities while casting or using spells from the spell list of that class. This does not allow him to cast arcane spells from that class’s spell list without suffering the normal chances of arcane spell failure, unless the spell lacks somatic components.
If the spells exist on both spell lists then broad study is not required. It's been clarified via FAQ that class abilities that modify casting do so for all casting classes the player has unless the ability states otherwise.
The only restrictions in spellstrike and spell combat are that the spell must be on the magus spell list. It does not specify casting them from magus spell slots.
| Cuttler |
yaaa... but i was pondering about the value of adding 1 level of x-blooded draconic/orc sorcerer for the +2 da/die to my shocking grasp. Then I though of the potential of having also 3 more spells ( maybe 3 more SG) at low levels coming from the sorcerer slots (taking potential failure from the ASF)....hence the question....
But your point is valid...
Thanks guys
| TLO3 |
TLO3 wrote:It's been clarified via FAQ that class abilities that modify casting do so for all casting classes the player has unless the ability states otherwise.Could you link to that FAQ entry? I'm having trouble finding it.
Sorcerer: Do the bonuses granted from Bloodline Arcana apply to all of the spells cast by the sorcerer, or just those cast from the sorcerer's spell list?
The Bloodline Arcana powers apply to all of the spells cast by characters of that bloodline, not just those cast using the sorcerer's spell slots.General rule: If a class ability modifies your spellcasting, it applies to your spells from all classes, not just spells from the class that grants the ability. (The exception is if the class ability specifically says it only applies to spells from that class.)
—Jason Bulmahn, 10/21/10
The general rule is the relevant part of the quote.
Here's the link to the FAQ, not sure how to link to the relevant entry but it's under the classes/sorcerer category.
| Blackstorm |
Magus 1/Wizard 5/Eldritch knight would be an interesting build if you wanted spell combat with 9th level spells. You just wouldn't be able to use spellstrike or spell combat for spells not on both lists.
Spell combat doesn't seem to limit you to the magus spell list. So in theory it would work even with a magus1/cleric19.
| Cuttler |
Spell combat doesn't seem to limit you to the magus spell list. So in theory it would work even with a magus1/cleric19.
actually, this is wrong...
Spell Combat (Ex): At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells
and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much
like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell
that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one
hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic
components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee
weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make
all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and
can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty)....
| Blackstorm |
Blackstorm wrote:
Spell combat doesn't seem to limit you to the magus spell list. So in theory it would work even with a magus1/cleric19.
actually, this is wrong...
Spell Combat (Ex): At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells
and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much
like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell
that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one
hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic
components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee
weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make
all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and
can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty)....
Ups, you're right. Didn't noticed it... It's not a concern for me, anyway, because I'll go straight magus, so never minded it :) Thanks for pointing out, anyway :)