Grapple Question

[Zero_Magi]

I have been reading the grapple combat maneuver and have the following question to make, In 3,5 edition you could grab all sizes up to 1 higher than yours , fo example a medium sized human could grapple up to a large creature.

In pathfinder edition i didnt see that restriction. So , is it possible for a bee (imagine a bee with 100 spell buffs) to grapple tarrasque ? plz tell me this cannot happen

[Dasrak]

In theory it's possible. In practice, there just is no combination of buffs that could ever make this happen.

[Zero_Magi]

Yes on first reading i though as you did , but then i read this :

''Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects''

, so you can add there spells like true strike , transformation and other strenght boosting spells and even attack roll boosting spells. I know it sounds very silly and is completely hypothetical for even an awakened bee to have access to spells but i can easily calculate a +30-40 bonus to attack rolls ( 20 from true strike alone) and if you also add there dex bonus , BAB and str bonus and subtrack the -4 due to size, it is possible with a high d20 roll.

No.. no... how the mighty has fallen...

[Nicos]

With enougth levels it woudl not eb that hard for a halfling to grapple the terrasque, even without true strike.

It might be hard to imagine, but the same is true for a halfling fighter stabing a giant in the ankle for 50 of damage.

[Nicos]

The real shame here is that the trip maneuver do have that restiction.

[Ven]

at least if your relying on true strike the tarrasque will easily reverse the grapple on his turn.

[Nicos]

Letss see. 20 level halfling lore warden.

+20 BAB +10 dex (agile maneuver) + 4 feats + 8 manuever training + 5 weapon (with hamatula strike or whip master) + 6 weapon training +2 wepon focus - 1 size= 54

Succed with a 12. No realy good specially when taking into account how many natural attacks the tarrasque have.