Ok I am looking for advice on the scarey monk build I am working on for pfs. 2 levels of rogue/thug. For the intimidate bonus, the second level for the trick. Then 2 levels of monk(of the sacred mountain) to flurry for multiple non-lethal attacks. Then unarmed fighter to speed boar style to get it before level 9. The rest monk.
I picked monk because they get more attacks then a rogue so more chance to frighten people with enforcer.
Stats before race
S 16
D 10
C 12
W 12
I 7
Ch 16
Race, half orc or asassimar/angel kin. Both have darkvision. Angel gets an additional +2 to my main two stats str & cha and they get alter self. Orc gets +2 intimidate can get proficient in whips for possible ranged non-lethal.
Levels
1 thug -enforcer
2 thug - trick-intimidating prowess
3 monk boar 1, dodge(not sure about this)?
4 monk snatch arrows(not sure?)
5 Unarmed fight Boar 3, power attack
6 Monk
7 Monk Boar 2
8 Monk
9 monk Cornugon Smash,Improved Feint(not sure again the monk feats)
For items an amulet of mighty fist with cruel would be neat. A cracked pink and green sphere ioun stone for intimidate. Any critic woul dbe appreciated.
The attack bonus is lower then what I would like. The AC a little low as well fro a toe to toe. But Landing one blow would cause a turn around in the fight.
My intimidate builds always end up finding a way to include weapon focus, dazzling display, and SHATTER DEFENSES. I freakin' love that feat.
Don't pay for the 16CHA merely for a +1 intimidate, raise the DEX and CON instead. A pair of 14s and a 12 will suit you better.
Also if you elect to go with human you can trade out the bonus feat for skill focus at 1st and 7th level. The +3 (and at 10th +6) is far better than any racial bonus to intimidate that you would otherwise see.
The human bonus skill will also offset the low INT score to give you reasonable numbers of skills.
-James
Yeah the cost for the 16 cha is pretty high. I agree with you. Plus the intimidate will be pretty crazy already.
I was thinking to get skill focus intimidate at 11. Since the +6 would be prett awesome.
I am a huge fan of dark vision. The extra benefits to human make him strong where he is already strong and giving up other benefits I do not see as advantageous. The class picked will have decent skills to make the int dump tolerable. I would gladly take ways to raise intimidate, but it will be crazy high and the DCs are pretty low.
I am hugely leaning towards the asaamir due to being an outsider prevents a great deal of spells from bothering him not being a humanoid. Granted potions of enlarge person will not work and that is a good +4 to intimidate if they are not already smaller than me.
James you always give awesome advice thanks
Kazaan There is too much dipping for medusas wrath for free. Not enough rogue for the sap master. The reason I forgone the sap branch is because I want more attacks over high damage attacks.
Ed Girallon Poe. I considered that path, but I like hitting someone and automatically bumping it to fightened with enforcer.
I think I have an enforcer build somewhere if you'd like,
James
I would love to see your enforcer build.
My idea was to impliment enforcer as much as possible. So instead of sap master rogue for mass damage. I figure a monk with a dip will get more attacks. Plus the ability to do non-lethal easily without penalty or spending a trait.
TGMaxMaxer, awesome thanks for pointing this out to me.
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If you take more levels of rogue, be a scout for sneak attack on a charge. Also, skulking slayer archetype for half-orcs is awesome for a 3 level dip. d8 sneak attacks with 2h weapons. Of course, you are kind of limited on weapons unless you take 6 levels of sohei or a level of cleric and crusader's flurry (not recommended on either note). That open monk feat could be used for scorpion style, which isn't that bad a feat IMHO.
ArmouredMonk13: The idea of going monk is to get more attacks. A monk can ki for an extra attack at full bab, and thats why I went that route. The bab will alreayd be low so going to level 5 for the charging sneak attack I found not worth the hassel. Plus it can leave him alone upfront with an even further stunted AC.
I think scoripuion style takes a huge adavantage away of being frightened. Having to run away will most likely provoke and remove the enemy from the fight for 2 turns. Scorpion style will leave the guy right there.
Bumping
Why do you say that is bad combo?
The idea is to inflict non-lethal damage as many times as possible. with the thug dip to cause frightened with a hit.
Intimidate is EASY to get high enough for this possible usage automatic.
Suggesting a combo linke inquistor that would make that purpose not possible I think is pointless. A rogue/monk/inquistor would only damage the bab and make it mor edifficult to trigger the intended effect.
The dip in thug is just for the thug this ability. The extra level does not hurt bab and the rogue trick provides a feat. I am not stuck on that second rogue level.
Frightening (Ex): Whenever a thug successfully uses Intimidate to demoralize a creature, the duration of the shaken condition is increased by 1 round. In addition, if the target is shaken for 4 or more rounds, the thug can instead decide to make the target frightened for 1 round. This ability replaces trapfinding.
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Well, I suggested Monk/Inquisitor, as I can think of no worse class combo than Monk/Rogue.What about wizard/paladin?
Well, no.
Wizard/Paladin has no problem dumping wisdom, and you could go dexterity based.
Also, you have at least one full BAB class.
Combining your Arcane Bond, with your Divine Bond, will free a lot of gold as well.
Blackblood, i was hoping for a reply to my statement..
I respect your knowledge a great deal.
Flurry of blows, ki for extra attacks. non-lethal without penalty. 4+ skills a level. Full bab when flurrying.
The idea is using enforcerer to auto frighten things when you punch them. I was thinking either ranger for TWF or monk to get the ability to land as many blows as possible. Boar style helps intimidate and give more options for unarmed combat so I chose that.
PFS legal.
I know unarmed strikes do nonlehtal. The monk specializes in unarmed thats why I picked him.
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What about a Thug/Unarmed Fighter or Brawler?
You can still achieve the Monk flavor, but can get things like Brawling Armor.
Get it on a Quilted Cloth, or Armored Kilt, and it will be like wearing nothing.
Going dex, and then nabbing an Agile AoMF is an option.
Also, the Full BAB and extra feats is nice.
Wild rager is not PFS legal.
The monk gets the free flurry plus the ki for an extra attack.
Strength will be used for intimidate.
The whole goal is control, not damage. If you can frighten a monster you remove it from the fight for twice as long as you do it for.(since it need to run back too.)I am trying to be able to demolarize as many opponenets as I can in a turn for 4+ rounds.
Honestly I do not care abotu flavor. I make a character and then develop the personality after they are made.
I am waiting to see if james will post his build.
I considered a barbarian with the Intimidating Glare glare too. So as a move action intimidate. With intimidating prowess adding str to it. You could fear two people a turn as well.
You should go for Orc as the race and get the Bullying Blow feat. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/arg-feats/bullying-blow-combat-orc
I am famalir with that build.I made a similar one for a friend we call it the dwarven whirlwind.
I got a dorn-dergar with darting viper to attack everyone near and then everyone far.
I did not think to intimidate with it. But you definately could.
Although since I gave my friend brian a similar dwarf build I would hate to have a similar build and possibly out do him.
Thank you very muich for sharing this though.
You should go for Orc as the race and get the Bullying Blow feat. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/arg-feats/bullying-blow-combat-orc
Thats not PFS legal
James nothing to apologize for. You provided an excellent idea. I was just providing a reason why I could not take it.
The feat tax for living monolith in feats I would not take are too high for my taste. A potion of enlarge person for 50 gold as a standard is the way I would go.
I am excited for any ideas you have. No rush.
excellent advice
I like the inquistor addition alot. Thank you. I never made one so I do not know them very well. So this this was helpfull.
I think I would take atleast 1 level of inquisitor for the hersay or conversion. This will allow me to dump cha. I can later get the baldric for the bane ability. I miss out on the teamwork feat. Those teamwork feats are awesome. So are worth thinking about. The class bonus to intimidate is ok.
An 200 gp ioune stone can give a +1, masterwork tool a +2. to raise intimidate as well.
Those stats might convince me to make a Qlippoth-Spawn.
Here is a good question.
As an inquisitor what god?
My question: Why not monk/ninja? Ki pools combine...
Ninja can not be thugs achetype for rogue. That archetype is what the build is based on.
I thought only clerics got the weapon? The traits I am lost for. I do not know a lot of them. I have one planned out that adds 1 damage to unarmed attacks and that is it so far.