Aasimar oracle favored class bonus...Do you have to know the revelation?


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Aasimar
Add +1/2 to the oracle’s level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation.

do you need to know the revelation, or can you get the bonus to a revelation (you don't yet know) early so when you pick it up later its better when you do know it?


Wording sounds like you don't need to know it. I couldn't see ruling any other way unless a FAQ has touched on the subject.

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if it matters, its for PFS

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I mean, if it meant a revelation you have selected it would say so.

Look at something like spell perfection...

Quote:
Benefit: Pick one spell which you have the ability to cast.

That sort of language should be included with the Aasimar favored class bonus if they wanted to limit it to a revelation you have already selected.

That being said, it was probably written with the intention that it would be applied to a revelation the oracle knows. It's not like it would be the first messed up rules wording.

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Name Violation wrote:

Aasimar

Add +1/2 to the oracle’s level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation.

do you need to know the revelation, or can you get the bonus to a revelation (you don't yet know) early so when you pick it up later its better when you do know it?

I'm going to say the former. You do need to have the revelation to add the bonus to it. Just as you would need to have the requisite spell levels to take the Human bonus for Sorcerer. (you can't add a bonus third level spell known when you're only casting 2nds)

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Whale_Cancer wrote:

I mean, if it meant a revelation you have selected it would say so.

Look at something like spell perfection...

Quote:
Benefit: Pick one spell which you have the ability to cast.

That sort of language should be included with the Aasimar favored class bonus if they wanted to limit it to a revelation you have already selected.

That being said, it was probably written with the intention that it would be applied to a revelation the oracle knows. It's not like it would be the first messed up rules wording.

Going to agree it should be worded like that, IF that's the intention

HOWEVER I'm not convinced that's the intention

BUT I am more concerned about the RAW rather than the RAI


LazarX wrote:
Name Violation wrote:

Aasimar

Add +1/2 to the oracle’s level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation.

do you need to know the revelation, or can you get the bonus to a revelation (you don't yet know) early so when you pick it up later its better when you do know it?

I'm going to say the former. You do need to have the revelation to add the bonus to it. Just as you would need to have the requisite spell levels to take the Human bonus for Sorcerer. (you can't add a bonus third level spell known when you're only casting 2nds)

I don't see the comparison. The human bonus is very clear about the restriction.

I see it more like the trait 'lore seeker'...

Quote:
Lore Seeker: The secrets of an ancient fallen civilization intrigue you, particularly the magical traditions of its highly mystical culture. You've studied magic intensely, and hope to increase that knowledge by adding ancient lore. You've come to the region to pursue that study, and chose the town as your base because it was out of the way of bigger cities—meaning less competition to study the ancient monuments in the region, you hope! You gain a +1 trait bonus on Knowledge (arcana) checks, and Knowledge (arcana) is a class skill for you. If you cast arcane spells, pick three spells on your spell list. You are particularly adept at casting these spells, so they function at +1 caster level when you cast them, and their save DCs (if any) gain a +1 bonus.

...where you can pick any spell on your list, as opposed to any spell you know.


LazarX wrote:
Name Violation wrote:

Aasimar

Add +1/2 to the oracle’s level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation.

do you need to know the revelation, or can you get the bonus to a revelation (you don't yet know) early so when you pick it up later its better when you do know it?

I'm going to say the former. You do need to have the revelation to add the bonus to it. Just as you would need to have the requisite spell levels to take the Human bonus for Sorcerer. (you can't add a bonus third level spell known when you're only casting 2nds)

I disagree. The wording doesn't say you have to know the revelation. The Human Bonus for Sorcerer is explicit - it's a bonus spell of a level at least one lower than the highest level you can cast.

My understanding is that human barbarians quite often start to take the 1/3 bonus in Superstition from level 1, even though they can't have that rage power until level 2 at least. The bonus certainly makes no mention that they have to have that rage power before they can take the bonus.

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Human Add +1 hit point or +1 skill rank to the ranger's animal companion. If the ranger ever replaces his companion, the new companion gains these bonus hit points or skill ranks.

Half-Orc Add +1 hit point to the ranger's animal companion. If the Half-orc ever replaces his animal companion, the new animal companion gains these bonus hit points.

can they not select these favored class bonus until level 4?

can they pick them if they opt not to have an animal companion?

edit (also)
human Monk Add +1/4 point to the monk's ki pool.

have to wait til 4th to take?


Name Violation wrote:

Human Add +1 hit point or +1 skill rank to the ranger's animal companion. If the ranger ever replaces his companion, the new companion gains these bonus hit points or skill ranks.

Half-Orc Add +1 hit point to the ranger's animal companion. If the Half-orc ever replaces his animal companion, the new animal companion gains these bonus hit points.

can they not select these favored class bonus until level 4?

can they pick them if they opt not to have an animal companion?

1. Yes, I believe they can take them before level 4 - it just doesn't have any impact until they get an animal companion. If they choose skill poihts, they're still restricted to the maximum skill points in any skill being the HD of the companion.

2. Certainly. That would be for when they decide to retrain their hunter's bond to get a companion. Why they'd want to do that is a completely separate question....

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Graeme wrote:
Name Violation wrote:

Human Add +1 hit point or +1 skill rank to the ranger's animal companion. If the ranger ever replaces his companion, the new companion gains these bonus hit points or skill ranks.

Half-Orc Add +1 hit point to the ranger's animal companion. If the Half-orc ever replaces his animal companion, the new animal companion gains these bonus hit points.

can they not select these favored class bonus until level 4?

can they pick them if they opt not to have an animal companion?

1. Yes, I believe they can take them before level 4 - it just doesn't have any impact until they get an animal companion. If they choose skill poihts, they're still restricted to the maximum skill points in any skill being the HD of the companion.

2. Certainly. That would be for when they decide to retrain their hunter's bond to get a companion. Why they'd want to do that is a completely separate question....

so does that agree (yes you can bonus something early) with the original question?


Yeah, it does add to the revelation if you take it before you actually get the revelation.
You just can't use it to get another revelation. You'd have to wait until you have it for it to be boosted.

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Graeme wrote:
Name Violation wrote:

Human Add +1 hit point or +1 skill rank to the ranger's animal companion. If the ranger ever replaces his companion, the new companion gains these bonus hit points or skill ranks.

Half-Orc Add +1 hit point to the ranger's animal companion. If the Half-orc ever replaces his animal companion, the new animal companion gains these bonus hit points.

can they not select these favored class bonus until level 4?

can they pick them if they opt not to have an animal companion?

1. Yes, I believe they can take them before level 4 - it just doesn't have any impact until they get an animal companion. If they choose skill poihts, they're still restricted to the maximum skill points in any skill being the HD of the companion.

2. Certainly. That would be for when they decide to retrain their hunter's bond to get a companion. Why they'd want to do that is a completely separate question....

THOSE are examples....

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