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I suggest asking this in the PFS forums.
1.) No. Not that I am aware of.
2.) I would say use the retraining rules...but they do not include retraining traits, though I would consider the retraining of a trait to be similar to retraining a feat. I think not including retraining of traits was an oversight especially since traits are used in PFS.
I assume the character is not a faith caster (cleric, inquisitor or paladin) or order of the star cavalier/samurai. Since for these characters, changing deity is a big deal and not to be taken lightly (or at all imo).
Currently there is no official way to handle changing deity as far as traits are concerned.
1. There are no rules. It's a pure RP thing (as it should be).
2. From reading that, it looks like you keep the trait. If you want to change it, talk to your GM and work out how changing it could be handled.
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I would argue against simply changing deity with no repercussions where religious traits are concerned. It should not be too easy to switch deities and keep the old deities traits.
I would suggest simply ignoring the trait until the retraining traits are added to the retraining rules. It definitely should not be kept if a deity switch is done imo.
I would argue against simply changing deity with no repercussions where religious traits are concerned. It should not be too easy to switch deities and keep the old deities traits.
Why not?
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Why not?I would argue against simply changing deity with no repercussions where religious traits are concerned. It should not be too easy to switch deities and keep the old deities traits.
Some religious traits require the worship of a specific deity. That is the restriction on potentially more powerful traits. Choosing such a "limited" trait under one deity and then worshiping a different deity which could potentially provide a different mechanical bonus smacks of gaming the system. Effectively the restriction on taking a specific deity to take a specific trait is circumvented. That's ignoring any flavor reasons.
Which is why I said talk to the DM. He may just go 'swap it out for another trait' (which is what I'd do), or he may do some quest-thing.
Which is why I said talk to the DM. He may just go 'swap it out for another trait' (which is what I'd do), or he may do some quest-thing.For PFS its not quite that simple. Talking to the VC or VL might be the right path to take though.
Right, PFS. I keep forgetting how ****-retentive they get.
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If your Deity matters to your class (like Cleric, Inquisitor, Paladin, etc. or if you choose a Deity for Druid or Ranger) then you'd need an atonement to switch.
If your choice of Deity is just a fluff thing, change it all you want, but I'd still suggest sticking to within 1 step of your Alignment (although if alignment doesn't matter for your class either, go ahead and change that too if you want).
Typically traits tied to specific gods require you to worship that god for them to work. Since there is no trait retraining, you'd then just have a useless trait if you switched gods.
If the specific trait specifically does not require you to worship said god, then change away and the Trait should still work.
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If your Deity matters to your class (like Cleric, Inquisitor, Paladin, etc. or if you choose a Deity for Druid or Ranger) then you'd need an atonement to switch.
I'm not aware of this rule. Has this been confirmed by a developer or MMJ? As far as I know, there is no rule for it; the subject certainly has come up before, but I don't think it was ever answered.
As far as the Demon Hunter trait, since it says in the trait you don't have to currently worship Asmodeus, I think this is a case of specific trumping general, and you would get to keep the trait.
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If your Deity matters to your class (like Cleric, Inquisitor, Paladin, etc. or if you choose a Deity for Druid or Ranger) then you'd need an atonement to switch.I'm not aware of this rule. Has this been confirmed by a developer or MMJ? As far as I know, there is no rule for it; the subject certainly has come up before, but I don't think it was ever answered.
As far as the Demon Hunter trait, since it says in the trait you don't have to currently worship Asmodeus, I think this is a case of specific trumping general, and you would get to keep the trait.
Why would you need a specific rule for it?
If you anger your god enough that you lose your spellcasting abilities (whether that's through evil acts or doing something directly against their ethos, like raising undead as a follower of Pharasma) you need an atonement.
Do you think leaving your god wouldn't be akin to an act that would require you to "lose your spellcasting abilities?"
I do. If you want to change God's after picking a specific god (unless its a level 1 rebuild), you need an atonement if your class requires a God.
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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a cost. I agree that requiring an atonement is a perfectly reasonable houserule (perhaps with retraining for whatever domains are changed as well), but it's still a houserule. The text of atonement allows you to restore your alignment or divine powers, or even tempt another creature into a new alignment, but nothing in the spell says it can be used to get divine powers from a new deity.
As far as I know, there are no rules in place for changing deities. It would be great if there were, but until then, I'd have to say that it isn't allowed.
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A couple years ago, my inquisitor developed through role-playing from a True Neutral worshipper of Abadar to a Neutral Good character. At the time, the solutions we all came up with was that the change of deity would require an atonement and that I would need to find a new deity with the same domain /subdomain as I'd been using, because atonements ought not allow a divine caster to swap out domains.
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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a cost. I agree that requiring an atonement is a perfectly reasonable houserule (perhaps with retraining for whatever domains are changed as well), but it's still a houserule. The text of atonement allows you to restore your alignment or divine powers, or even tempt another creature into a new alignment, but nothing in the spell says it can be used to get divine powers from a new deity.
As far as I know, there are no rules in place for changing deities. It would be great if there were, but until then, I'd have to say that it isn't allowed.
It isn't a house rule. Its an ambiguous rule.
Expect Table Variation. I've told you how I'd rule it.
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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a cost. I agree that requiring an atonement is a perfectly reasonable houserule (perhaps with retraining for whatever domains are changed as well), but it's still a houserule. The text of atonement allows you to restore your alignment or divine powers, or even tempt another creature into a new alignment, but nothing in the spell says it can be used to get divine powers from a new deity.
As far as I know, there are no rules in place for changing deities. It would be great if there were, but until then, I'd have to say that it isn't allowed.
In the description of Mystery Cultist in Chronicle of the Righteous, they state that if you change from worshipping one Empyreal Lord to another, that you lose all your abilities until you receive an atonement from a Cleric of the new Empyreal Lord. That implies that changing deities would work the same way, though I agree that there is no definitive ruling.
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Since there's no absolute rule, the question to ask is what abilities do you have that would be affected by your changing deities?
The original post didn't mention anything except the trait, and didn't even quote the text for the trait. Presumably nosig found it:
Demon Hunter (LE): Raised in the church (whether or not you are currently a follower), you’ve focused your indoctrinated fervor primarily on the elimination of demons. You gain a +3 trait bonus on Knowledge (planes) checks about demons and a +2 trait bonus on Will saves against mind-affecting spells and effects from demons.
Assuming that's the only ability affected (unlikely), it should be fine to change deity without atonement or similar.
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IMO you only need to atone to keep your powers from the old god, which you aren't doing and the new god wanting a new follower wouldn't have strings attached to join his/her flock.... so unless your alignment is shifting away from the new god I think you should be good. I think you'd need to atone if you ever tried to go back to the original gods faith.
Now on the RP side of things. Angering a lord of hell has consequences so there is that.....