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Hello Pathfinders,
I'll just quickly say that this is a speculated topic within my group in Pathfinder Society and we wish to know if we have done it correctly:
20pt buy
Human
STR 12
DEX 8
CON 14
INT 13
WIS 18 (w/+2 racial & 4th lvl)
CHA 14
Traits: Elemental Pupil & Havoc of Society
Domain: Fire Domain to get Fireball as a 3rd Level Divine Spell
1st Theologian Cleric [Feat] Heavy Armor Prof.
2nd Cross Blooded Sorcerer (Primal & Draconic Red Dragon)
3rd Theologian Cleric [Feat] Spell Focus (Evocation)
4th Theologian Cleric Attr +1 Wis
5th Theologian Cleric [Feat] Spell Specialization (Fireball)
6th Theologian Cleric Domain Secret (Intensified Spell [Fireball])
As we understand it the CL of said spell would be as follows;
Cleric CL 5th + 2 (Archetype) + 2 (Feat) + 5 (Intensified) = 14CL
"A fireball spell generates a searing explosion of flame that detonates with a low roar and deals 1d6 points of fire damage per caster level (maximum 10d6) to every creature within the area." - Fireball(Spell)
"An intensified spell increases the maximum number of damage dice by 5 levels. You must actually have sufficient caster levels to surpass the maximum in order to benefit from this feat. No other variables of the spell are affected, and spells that inflict damage that is not modified by caster level are not affected by this feat." - Intensified Spell
With the additional Caster Levels before applying the Metamagic Feat it will be 9th and Fireball maxes at 10th, with the metamagic feat specifying that you have to surpass the maximum caster levels in order to benefit from this feat, you will surpass the maximum limit with the metamagic feat and thus making it applicable. Have we enterpreted this correctly?
If yes, then theoretically the damage would be at 14th CL, 14d6 Fire damage + 2 for every die (Cross Blooded) and an additional +2 from traits totalling at;
14d6 + 30 fire damage
Purchase a Rod of Lesser Empowerment for 9000gp and there you have it, is this estimation correct?
Sources
Theologian Cleric: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cler ic-archetypes/theologian
Fire Domain: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/domains/paizo---domains /fire-domain
Cross Blooded Sorcerer: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/archetypes/paizo---so rcerer-archetypes/crossblooded
Primal Bloodline: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/archetypes/paizo---so rcerer-archetypes/wildblooded/primal
Draconic Bloodline: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines -from-paizo/draconic-bloodline
Havoc of Society http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/havoc-of-the-society-sorcerer-p athfinder-society
Elemental Pupil http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/regional-traits/elemental-pupil-regional-qad ira
Spell Specialization: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/spell-specialization
Intensified Spell: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/intensified-spell-metamagic
This is not how Intensified Spell works. It raises the cap on spells by 5 dice, but does not give you the CL
A 15th level wizard casting a regular fireball, will do 10d6 fireball damage, not being able to do 15d6 because fireball is capped at 10d6
a 15th level wizard casting an Intensified(metamagic) fireball will be able to use all his CL increasing it to 15d6
a 20th level wizard casting Intensified(metamagic) fireball will still only do 15d6 because fireball is capped at 10d6 +5 from intensified spell.
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This is not how Intensified Spell works. It raises the cap on spells by 5 dice, but does not give you the CL
Alright, so it would count as CL 9th until the Caster Level exceeds 10th. This meaning that at Lv.8 I'll have CL 12th and would actually benefit from Intensified Spell as normal and get 12d6?
Would it be better to get Focused Spell instead for a higher DC until Intensified Spell gains effect?
Consider an Extended Produce Flame at Theologian level 5 (spell endurance) and pick up Intensified Fireball at Theologian level 10.
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The Theologian bonus adds +2 levels for the purpose of level-dependent Domain *powers,* but not, as far as I can see, to the caster level of Domain *spells.*
A theologian chooses only one domain from her deity’s portfolio rather than the normal two domains. All level-dependent effects of the granted powers from the theologian’s domain function as if she were two cleric levels higher than her actual cleric level. This does not allow her to gain domain-granted powers earlier than normal. A theologian can prepare domain spells using her non-domain slots. She cannot use her spontaneous casting ability on domain spells, even if they are prepared in non-domain slots.
In all other respects, this works like and replaces the standard cleric domain ability.
So, essentially, this just means that your clerics Fire Bolt SLA will do +1 damage, and you'll get fire resistance 20 at 10th level instead of 12th level, and fire immunity at 18th level instead of 20th level. (Plus you get to prepare fireball spells in non-domain slots.)
As with some other Archetype swap out options, it's not nearly good enough to replace what you were giving up to get it.
Wut Set Sed.
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Alright, so it would count as CL 9th until the Caster Level exceeds 10th. This meaning that at Lv.8 I'll have CL 12th and would actually benefit from Intensified Spell as normal and get 12d6?
Would it be better to get Focused Spell instead for a higher DC until Intensified Spell gains effect?
There are several things you might be confused about. Let me try to clear them up.
1) The Theologian's focused domain ability only applies to domain powers, not domain spells (in others words the fire ray and fire resistance abilities). It doesn't increase the CL of domain spells like fireball.
2) Intensified spell's use is to exceed the normal dice cap of a spell. (Burning hands normally caps at 5D6, fireball at 10d6, etc.) If your CL is 9, intensify spell won't have any affect on a fireball.
3) The dip into sorcerer is actually going to cost you a caster level (caster levels from different classes do not stack)
So, at 6th level you'd have a 7d6+14 fireball (excluding traits). And some minor points;
4) Traits must be taken at first level. The PFS legal version of havoc of the society has a prerequisite of "sorcerer" so your first level would have to be sorcerer.
5) For PFS you must own a legal copy of the source from which each feat, trait, spell, ability, etc. comes (see the Guide to Organized Play).
Also: Ninja'd!
Consider an Extended Produce Flame at Theologian level 5 (spell endurance) and pick up Intensified Fireball at Theologian level 10.You might consider using an intensified burning hands, though.
That wold be good too.
To summarize: A pure sorcerer would be better.
For fireball damage sorcerer wins.
Cleric has the advantage of medium BAB/HP, good fort save, and cast in armor. That is worth a lot!
It looks like you're missing your human bonus feat. You could use that to pick up Spell Focus early, then Varisian Tattoo for +1 CL to all your Evocation spells. I'd also recommend swapping out one of your bloodlines for Orc, which gives the damage bonus on all damaging spells, in case you want to prep some searing light or holy smite, etc. It also gives you darkvision, which is nice.
Something to consider with a fireballing cleric:
"If a domain spell is not on the cleric spell list, a cleric can prepare it only in her domain spell slot"
So, that is a lot of investment for 1 fireball per day.
Oh..
"A theologian can prepare domain spells using her non-domain slots"
The fire domain theologian is much better than I thought.
With a domain secret intensified burning hands, and a few level 1 pearls of power, a 10th level fire theologian could be quite cost effective.