Vampire Druid Questions


Rules Questions


Can a vampire use its dominate ability if it is in bat form? Wild Shaped? Gaseous?

What happens if you use gaseous form while wild shaped?

Does Wild heavy armor slow you while wild shaped? Does it work if Gaseous?

Does natural spell work while Gaseous?

Does spell casting while wild shaped break stealth.

Does using a bolt from call lightning or directing a spell like ball lightning break stealth?

Is there a way to cast while under stealth with out silent spell?

I am interested in raw answers but I also want to hear how you would run things?


Dominate ability while in bat form/wild shaped:

Polymorph wrote:
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form.

Is dominate ability form dependent? Maybe. GM is final arbiter here.

Dominate ability in gaseous form?

Gaseous Form wrote:
The subject also loses supernatural abilities while in gaseous form.

That looks like a no.

Does natural spell work while gaseous?

Gaseous Form wrote:
It can't attack or cast spells with verbal, somatic, material, or focus components while in gaseous form. This does not rule out the use of certain spells that the subject may have prepared using the feats Silent Spell, Still Spell, and Eschew Materials.

So, no. Not unless it is a still silent spell with eschew materials.

Does spell casting break stealth?
Usually (see below)

Does directing an attack break stealth?
Yes. Attacks always break stealth (unless sniping).

Is there a way to cast while under stealth with out silent spell?
Stolen from a Lab Rat:
Verbal Components must be made in a strong voice. So you cannot whisper out the spell. Thus even if invisible you are giving out the square you stand in when you can a spell with a verbal component.
- "A verbal component is a spoken incantation. To provide a verbal component, you must be able to speak in a strong voice."

Somatic components require precise hand gestures. There are no rules regarding this but I would say that once again the answer is that you can not hide it. These gestures are recognizable by other wizards using a spellcraft check and having a way to hide them would also bypass this.
- "A somatic component is a measured and precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one hand free to provide a somatic component."

Material components are used in the spell and annihilated in the process of casting. Kind of hard to hide an object being disintegrated in front of you.
- "A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process."


A vampire Druid just seems odd to me...that's all I have to say really.


havoc xiii wrote:
A vampire Druid just seems odd to me...that's all I have to say really.

You have a lot of company havoc. There have been a few threads specifically on the subject of whether an undead druid could even plausibly exist.

In the end though, the "... but.... DRAGONS!" argument wins the day and vampire druids gleefully zip around doing the vampiry things druids are wont to do.


I suppose if it was a blight Druid maybe...but vampires are the antithesis of the natural order...


havoc xiii wrote:
I suppose if it was a blight Druid maybe...but vampires are the antithesis of the natural order...

Who says all Druids have to support only 'natural' orders? I'm going to make a Druid that protects artificial and mass produced things, like rubber stamps or carbonated beverages.

Anyway, I couldn't tell you about RAW, but it seems to me that traditionally, a vampire's gimmicks would work all the time. They aren't, like, class abilities, or even racial abilities, it just seems to me that a Template would be more permanent and constant.

Not sure if I'm making any sense.


Of course I was the one arguing that druids are perfectly fine assassins in another thread... :)


Thanks for input. The only thing I am still wonder about is the call lightning thing. Why would this break stealth? I am not sure it would count as an attack. I thought it might be more in the summoned creature category.


Does the Vampire revere nature?

If yes then, vampire can be a druid.

Beyond Morality mythic path ability allows for Lich Paladin/Barbarian multiclass characters. So anything goes at this point.

Grand Lodge

Marthkus wrote:

Does the Vampire revere nature?

If yes then, vampire can be a druid.

Beyond Morality mythic path ability allows for Lich Paladin/Barbarian multiclass characters. So anything goes at this point.

Vampires have a tendency to descend to chaotic evil alignments. That kind of makes it hard to maintain the component of neturality needed for the druidic faith.


LazarX wrote:
Marthkus wrote:

Does the Vampire revere nature?

If yes then, vampire can be a druid.

Beyond Morality mythic path ability allows for Lich Paladin/Barbarian multiclass characters. So anything goes at this point.

Vampires have a tendency to descend to chaotic evil alignments. That kind of makes it hard to maintain the component of neturality needed for the druidic faith.

Creating a Vampire

“Vampire” is an acquired template that can be added to any living creature with 5 or more Hit Dice (referred to hereafter as the base creature). Most vampires were once humanoids, fey, or monstrous humanoids. A vampire uses the base creature's stats and abilities except as noted here.

CR: Same as the base creature + 2.

AL: Any evil.


LazarX wrote:
Marthkus wrote:

Does the Vampire revere nature?

If yes then, vampire can be a druid.

Beyond Morality mythic path ability allows for Lich Paladin/Barbarian multiclass characters. So anything goes at this point.

Vampires have a tendency to descend to chaotic evil alignments. That kind of makes it hard to maintain the component of neturality needed for the druidic faith.

Yep, like Marthkus pointed out, they can be Any Evil.

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