Knowledge Lore Keeper ability interaction with Illusion, Shapeshift and Disguise


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I'm curious about the official interpretation of the Clerical Knowledge Domain Lore Keeper ability. Specifically what if it is used on a creature that is disguised, shapeshifted or cloaked by illusion. Does it grant information on what is perceived or what actually is? Also does it provoke attacks or opportunity? Thanks


Disguises will make no difference, illusions will make no difference, shapeshifting I'm not positive on. Disguises and illusions don't actually change anything about the creature, they only make it look different. With the Lore Keeper ability you touch it and make a check using 15 + cleric level + wis mod in place of the appropriate Knowledge check that would be normally used.

It grants information based on what is actually there, so as stated disguise and illusions will not deceive it or give incorrect information. This may confuse some characters as the creature type and other information may not match up with what they are seeing, others may realize it is a disguise or illusion.

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Touch Attacks: Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. The act of casting a spell, however, does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack as long as the spell deals damage. Your opponent's AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.

Only problem being that this isn't a spell, it's a spell like ability and deals no damage. Depending on how you want to interpret the rules it may provoke an AoO. I would suggest that it probably doesn't or else it would make the ability very dangerous to use.

Edit: As far as shapeshifting goes or wildshaping it doesn't change your creature type or what you really are, so you will still provide information as based on the original creature as if it were not using that ability I believe.


There isn't really any interpretation about it. Spell-like abilities provoke AoOs, and this spell-like ability doesn't except itself from that.


Troubleshooter wrote:
There isn't really any interpretation about it. Spell-like abilities provoke AoOs, and this spell-like ability doesn't except itself from that.

Indeed, didn't see that entry on the list. So yes, Lore Keeper ability provokes an attack of oppurtunity.


Casting a spell-like ability provokes. Delivering the touch attack to use the spell-like ability does not.

You can of course use a Concentration check to cast the spell-like ability defensively.


Thanks for all of the replies. This is very helpful

Grand Lodge

Claxon wrote:

Disguises will make no difference, illusions will make no difference, shapeshifting I'm not positive on. Disguises and illusions don't actually change anything about the creature, they only make it look different. With the Lore Keeper ability you touch it and make a check using 15 + cleric level + wis mod in place of the appropriate Knowledge check that would be normally used.

Disguises and Illusions make a hell of a lot of difference. They will short circuit things suh as the Ranger Bonus and the Lore Keeper ability. Rolls to get identify the real creature will still get the relevant bonus, but that has to be added by the Judge secretly so as not to tip off the player prematurely.

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