Rogue talent (Minor Magic), Arcane Strike and FAQ's


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So, according to this FAQ it appears that SLA's now count as beign able to cast that spell for purposes of meeting prereq's.

Ergo, it seems Minor Magic (ability to cast arcane cantrip, caster level equal to rogue level) allows you to qualify for Arcane Strike.

Is that right, or did I miss something?

I've been a bit out of the loop recently, so pardon my catching up with the op boards.

Thanks!


Yes, you can pick Arcane Strike if you have minor magic. Sean even posted somewhere that they almost included this very thing as an example in the FAQ.


Well, admittedly arcane strike is not that overpowered. It helps bridge the gap a bit if your strength is not as high as it could be. It is a great option to have, it allows you to grab any weapon (or even just an improvised weapon) and pierce through the most common DR in the game along with an added bit of extra damage at the price of a swift action.

More typically though, it will often be seen as an option for more exotic races (just about any aasimar or tiefling that doesn't trade them out will qualify)or choices that were just fluff for the core ones. Human clerics will like traits such as trifler (prestidigitation 3/day) even more now, and the often forgotten envoy trait for elves will be seen more often with archers. As long as you find a way to keep the caster level up, any of them make decent options. Really, who doesn't like more static damage?


So, any sort of racial SLA's count as well, I assume.

Any way to get a spell like ability that scales with level as a human without using Rogue Talents or feats? Like, via a trait?

I'm seeing potential for a power attacker with Arcane Strike as well, if I can get it to work...


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The main problem with finding proper SLA's is that most traits only give you CL 1 if you have no CL of your own (and you need that CL for arcane strike to scale at all). This works out great for clerics, druids, and even rangers, but not for rogues. However, if you were raised by dwarves, they have a religion trait that uses character level for cl.

The trait is Alluring, which gives +2 on diplomacy for anyone entranced by your awesome beard and daze as an sla once per day. It is found in Pathfinder Companion: Dwarves of Golarion.

Overall, rather munchkiny on anyone other than a dwarf, especially since it needs you to worship the dwarf god of marriage. Plus, I'd wonder how that gets twisted into an arcane strike (please, please, PLEASE let there be glitter and magical girl transformations! "By the Power of Love and Beards, I Punish you!")


excellent, haha. A power attacking Ranger works just fine... Some kind of "wizard's pupil!" 4th level spells come online just in time for 5th level feat.

Very Interesting. Trifler. hmm. Yes.


Cathulhu wrote:
Very Interesting. Trifler. hmm. Yes.

Of course, who doesn't love prestidigitation. It cooks, it cleans, I imagine you could justify paper plates, cups and forks (they seem 'fake' enough for the spell). It also cleans out all those pesky, set in bloodstains that take forever to clean.

*Note to self: look into how much it would take to craft 3/day magic item; market it to wealthy households. See if you can a bard that sounds like Billy Mays to market it*

Anyway, have fun with your build.


Thanks mate. its not a build, mostly just kicking around ideas... Add it to the big notebook of builds.


With a feat investment (Skill Focus X) you could pick up Eldritch Heritage and grab something that gives you a (SP) power. This gives you a caster level equal to your character level -2. Eventually Improved and Greater would give you full caster level and some pretty nifty stuff.


or for no feats, just a trait... get the same thing equal to character level, no minuses.

EDIT: For some reason Forgot Rangers are at -3 caster level.

Using Magical Knack and Trifler in conjunction is promising though.

Half Elf with innate Skill Focus and Eldritch Heritage might not be too bad.

Dont think any more than that is worth getting Arcane Strike though.


Yeah, while half-elves have an alternate racial trait for gaining SLA's, it is not allowed in PFS. Sad really.

Elves can enjoy the envoy, dream speaker, or lightbringer alternate racial traits though.


lemeres wrote:
The main problem with finding proper SLA's is that most traits only give you CL 1 if you have no CL of your own (and you need that CL for arcane strike to scale at all). This works out great for clerics, druids, and even rangers, but not for rogues. However, if you were raised by dwarves, they have a religion trait that uses character level for cl

this has been vexing me all day because

Minor Magic (Sp): A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 0-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. This spell can be cast three times a day as a spell-like ability. The caster level for this ability is equal to the rogue's level. The save DC for this spell is 10 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. The rogue must have an Intelligence of at least 10 to select this talent.
i don't know my RAI would allow this to count for the feat. but mostly i don't see it not counting RAW. any way
my 2cp


I also saw...

Elven Spirit. Feat that basically allows half-elf to gain any alternate elf trait that replaces the Elven Magic trait.

The Alternate elf trait, Envoy, seems like a good fit and is still PFS legal if I remember rightly.


And I guess Arcane talent for gnomes, elves, and half-elves.

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