
zwiz96 |

I have searched various threads and found nothing for making a Dragon Disciple with no dips in any other class so my question is how could I go about making a sorcerer/dragon disciple mainly focused on casting as a back up fighter.
Honestly I have no idea what to do as it is a first for me making any spontaneous caster.
The stats were rolled and are:18,18,18,16,11,14(lucky me).
I'm looking to start it at 7th level and going to who knows where. (hopefully 20 but that barely ever happens)
Also yes I have read the guide it helped a little still no idea.
Any advice is good advice so thanks in advance.

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why would you want to?
going solid sorcerer with the Draconic bloodline is a better choice, then trying to gish without the class features of a martial class. im not trying to dissuade you from trying it, but you will lose out on function for no reason.
adding in 2 levels of paladin (or anti paladin if allowed) inquisitor, cleric, barbarian, alchemist, or monk would net you depth to your character. that's why so many people dip into those classes when making a dragon disciple

MechE_ |

Wow, nice stats... I'll start with the fairly obvious here:
Str: 18
Dex: 16
Con: 18
Int: 14
Wis: 11
Cha: 18
With stats like that, I'm not sure how you can go wrong. Race, spells, whatever you want should work reasonably well. Normally a Dragon Disciple (I have a Fighter 3 / Sorc 2 / DD 7 right now) has to choose to focus on either spells or melee, but with your stats, I'd say you could pull both off fairly well. I'd say throw your racial bonus into Charisma and then your level bonuses into Charisma as well. Your strength will scale solidly on it's own.
Another way to help boost your strength is by being cross blooded Orc / Draconic. At 9th level, you grab the orc ability and your strength scales nicely. There are three problems with this setup - 1) -2 Will save (countered by Iron Will) 2) Less Spells Known (somewhat countered by being able to choose between two bloodline spells and since you lose caster levels but retain bloodline scaling, after the first level of dragon disciple, you get your bloodline bonus spells as soon as you reach a new spell level) 3) Light-sensativity (which is solved by taking the orc power at 3rd level and then obtaining 9th level. On the bright side here, you get dark vision 60 feet.)
Another thing worth mentioning is that you 100% want a Robe of Arcane Heritage! It will allow you to treat your bloodline powers as 4 levels higher. This means you will be an 11th level Sorcerer for the purposes of bloodlines. No more light sensativity, another +2 Strength right off the bat, and your breath weapon that you get at 8th level (that you will unfortunately only get once per day due to picking the 9th level Orc bloodline power) will do 12d6 damage.
All this said, a level or two of a martial class would net you some solid gain, but if you're trying to stay focused on casting, then stay focused on casting and don't worry about it. With your stats, you'll be competent in melee even without dipping. (Though you would obviously be better if you dipped.)

Nawtyit |

I play a Sor 5/DD 8 in a Kingmaker campaign and I love him.
Vaho
I took arcane strike, weapon focus (natural), improved natural armor, improved natural attack (claws), and toughness. The claws and bite are both listed as primary attacks so that helps. Plus, Saurian is a perfect 3rd part race if it's allowed. Likewise, the improved natural armor and attacks are monster feats, so you'll have to get permission for those too.
Caster level is a little low with DD, but robes of arcane heritage helps with gaining abilities earlier.

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I have searched various threads and found nothing for making a Dragon Disciple with no dips in any other class so my question is how could I go about making a sorcerer/dragon disciple mainly focused on casting as a back up fighter.
Honestly I have no idea what to do as it is a first for me making any spontaneous caster.
The stats were rolled and are:18,18,18,16,11,14(lucky me).
I'm looking to start it at 7th level and going to who knows where. (hopefully 20 but that barely ever happens)
Also yes I have read the guide it helped a little still no idea.
Any advice is good advice so thanks in advance.
The reason you're having a problem with guides is that most people are locked into the idea of a dragon disciple as a primarily melee character backed by magic. (The bloodline powers and the str boosts of the PrC tend to encourage this)
In your case, however you're going to be defining the character by your spell selection. But you're going to have to ask yourself some pretty defining questions. What exactly do you mean by "backup fighter". How often do you see yourself engaging in melee, and when you do so are you looking to sustain melee or just enough so that you can back up and cast? Or are you looking to melee mainly in your dragon shapes?
If you aren't planning that much melee, I'd suggest forgoing any investment in weapons and work on getting as much out of your bloodline claw attacks, taking Improved Natural Attack to up the damage or Natural Armor the defense, along with some carrier damage spells to lace on to your claw attacks. How much investment you make in this area is heavily dependent on the style you want to develop in playing this character.

MechE_ |

Also, here's a build I threw together for another thread
I think I have a Dimensional Dervish build that works better than the original one, and it's pretty simple.
Crossblooded Draconic/Orc Sorcerer 9 / Dragon Disciple 4.
You can pick up Dimensional Agility at 9th level, Dimensional Assault at 11th level, and Dimensional Dervish at 13th level. Combine this with level 13 being the first level at which you can utilize Form of the Dragon I, and here's your basic plan.
Round 1: Form of the Dragon I, Quicken Shield (optional, obviously, and this is coming from your bloodline feat at 11th level), Fly 30 feet into the air.
Round 2: Dimensional Dervish with all 5 of your Natural Attacks while flying to utilize your fly speed (this part may not be 100% RAW, but I think it should fly - no pun intended.) End your turn next to the biggest, baddest threat.
Optional - Round 3: Quicken Chill Touch - Make your 5 natural attacks again, with each one forcing a save or the target loses 1 point of strength. Granted it is a low save, it's still a cool combo and a great way to drop your targets strength by 3 to 5 points over the course of two rounds assuming fortitude isn't their best save. (This part is also not 100% certain - not sure you can use multiple natural attacks to proc a touch spell, but I think I would allow it as you using a 5th level spell to accomplish it.)Orc Bloodline gets you +4 strength by 13th level (+6 if you utilize Robes of Arcane Heritage). 2 Level of Dragon Disciple gets you another +4 strength. Form of the Dragon I gets you another +4 Strength (along with +2 con and +4 natural armor.). Throw in a Belt of Giant Strength +4 and you're sitting pretty in the +16 strength range, so you should easily be near 40 strength. I'd suggest starting with strength near about 16 or 18. You can also still deal some SOLID damage with spells, even if your saves are a bit lower than the average caster due to +2 damage per dice of one element between the draconic and orc bloodlines and +1 damage per dice on all other elements means you still aren't too specialized.
This build only gets better at level 15 and 17 when you get Form of the Dragon II and III, respectively. Also, if you pick up a teamwork feat (I suggest Outflank) and grab Dimensional Savant at 17th level, you get nifty bonuses to most of your Dimensional Dervish attacks - probably all but the first. Outflank is also a REALLY great feat to pick up on this build if you can convince one or two people in your party to grab it early. You'll likely want the help hitting with a mostly 1/2 BAB class going into melee.

Bbeau22 |
I am doing a little opposite of you by playing a pure Sorc and adding Dragon Disciple to it but be primary melee type with relatively strong back-up casting.
For you, staying Sorc might be the way to go but focus on the shape change spells like beast shape and dragon form. No need to go Dragon Disciple for the Form of the Dragon when you can just cast it as a spell at about the same level as you would get it from the prestige class.
You will be getting a lot of powerful attacks in these new forms when need them but still have the casting ability of a full caster. Make sure you grab some spells that boost your melee attack and damage like heroism, haste. Also grab some defensive spells armor, shield, displacement.
I think you would be a pretty acceptable back-up fighter with those stats and correct spell selection.