Arcane Strike and gnomes


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Shadow Lodge

What are the rules (especially as regards to legality in PFS) regarding this feat and gnomes (or any other race with innate arcane ability)? Can a 1st-level gnome fighter use the feat?

...I note that various races may now qualify for PrCs based on inate abilities rather than casting-class levels (with there accordingly being renewed interest in the moribund Mystic Theurge), and am curious if this leniency extends to feats.


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I believe it does. Hell, if I remember correctly, they actually use Arcane Strike with Rogue talents for the example, so this should work more than fine. I'll do my best to dig up the FAQ.

Okay, I lied. But here is SKR saying that Rogue Talent Minor Magic does, so I expect racial to work the same.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pt80&page=2?The-term-cast-as-a-part-of-abi lities-and-how#56

I don't play PFS so I'm not sure how that translates, but I presume it will work.


YES

Scarab Sages

Under current rules it works.

Dark Archive

Sir Thugsalot wrote:

What are the rules (especially as regards to legality in PFS) regarding this feat and gnomes (or any other race with innate arcane ability)? Can a 1st-level gnome fighter use the feat?

...I note that various races may now qualify for PrCs based on inate abilities rather than casting-class levels (with there accordingly being renewed interest in the moribund Mystic Theurge), and am curious if this leniency extends to feats.

Can you provide a link to the moribund Mystic Theurge. I really like that class, but its always sooo week the first few levels.


Here is the link to the FAQ: Spell-Like Abilities, Casting, and Prerequisites

It basically says that if you have a spell like ability, you meet any prerequisites that call for casting spells up to the SLA's level. There is also some other things about determining arcane or divine and all that, but you can read that for yourself right below the place I linked to.


The caster level for racial spell like abilities is equal to your hit die. Am I right in thinking that Arcane strike would then scale with your character level?


Yes, it's that silly.


Does that work for splash weapons? Can my alchemist gnome get level to damage with bombs?

Liberty's Edge

tumbler wrote:
Does that work for splash weapons? Can my alchemist gnome get level to damage with bombs?

Arcane strike is +1-5 damage based on level, not + Level. But yes, it totally works on bombs (since they count as weapons). Point Blank Shot (leading in to Rapid Shot) is a better Feat IMO, but if you've already got that, it seems a decent option.


If you have a 3rd level SLA, does that let you qualify for something that requires the ability to cast second level spells?

Is there a race that grants something that lets you qualify for 2nd level divine spells requirement?


No, it does not, because of this FAQ.

As for 2nd level divine spells:
Aasimar (Incorruptible) - Corruption Resistance.
Aasimar (Agathion-Blooded) - Summon Nature’s Ally II.
Tiefling (Daemon-Spawn) - Death Knell.
Oracle (Wood) - Wood Shape or Warp Wood.
Qinggong Monk at 4th level - Augury and Barkskin.
Trickery Domain - Mirror Image.
Fate Inquisition - Augury.
Aasimar Feat at 3rd level (Heavenly Radiance) - Wake of Light.

Obtained from this exceedingly useful guide.


Thanks for the link.

So Peri-kin or Garuda-blooded aasimar wizard 1/cleric 1(trickery domain)/Mystic Theurge 10 for PFS play, or wiz1/clr1/MT4 for e6. That's pretty useful, if you can find something fun to do with all those spells.

Alternatively, if you can live with a penalty to one of your casting stats, pick the tiefling type for the SLA you want. It's probably going to carry you through level 2 and 3, which is where you're at your worst.

1/d Web is good. It comes with -2 wis and +2 cha, which is less so.

Still, 1/d web+mirror image can take you through to level 4.


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

For what it is worth, you cannot enter Mystic Theurge until 4th level due to skill requirements.


Would you be able to retrain later to get the Theurge earlier? I don't think it would really matter, Casting as a 7th level wiz and 5th level cleric at Char 8, is pretty potent if you're managing lots of utility/long term buffs. The build would be most limited by action economy.

EDIT: I found the FAQ, you can not retrain a base class level into a prestige class level. So it looks like at best you're hitting Theurge at 4th level, but using the right class, you could have Wiz 1 / Cleric (trickery) 1 / Something 1 level dip for shenanigans / Mystic Theurge x. I've got some research to do.


Majuba wrote:
Yes, it's that silly.

Why do you think it is silly?


Also FYI, Trickery domain does not work for 2nd level divine, as mirror image is considered arcane (yes, even from a domain).

Umbranus wrote:
Majuba wrote:
Yes, it's that silly.
Why do you think it is silly?

If you have to ask... That an extremely minor racial ability (or rogue talent) qualifies you for a feat that is intended to give heavy arcane casters a strong damage boost is silly. SLA shenanigans for prestige class prereqs is far worse than silly.

Liberty's Edge

Majuba wrote:
Also FYI, Trickery domain does not work for 2nd level divine, as mirror image is considered arcane (yes, even from a domain).

Uh...no, incorrect.

To quote the linked FAQ above (or technically the one below it):

Pathfinder Core Rulebook FAQ wrote:
For spell-like abilities gained from a class, use the spell type (arcane or divine) of that class to determine whether the spell-like ability is arcane or divine. If the class doesn't cast spells, use the above rule for spell-like abilities from race or type.

Emphasis mine.

Clerics are divine, so spell-like abilities gained from Cleric Class Features are likewise Divine.

Grand Lodge

Majuba wrote:
That an extremely minor racial ability (or rogue talent) qualifies you for a feat that is intended to give heavy arcane casters a strong damage boost is silly.

I don't believe it is a strong damage boost to arcane casters. (Other than the fact that most don't do much damage with weapons.) I seems specifically for bards, which gnomes tend to be very suited to. The fact that a gnome fighter can actually use his swift action for something is a happy result, I think.

Liberty's Edge

I don't find the ability of the most magical core race to infuse that magic into their weapons and strike down their foes with that power particularly silly, either.

Sounds pretty cool to me.


Stating this is silly sounds very much like martials can't have nice things.

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