LazarX
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Are the any prestige class out their like Mystical Theurge for charisma based casters. This class seems to intentionally hinder the CHA based casters, its main power is useless of them.
The Mystic Theurge was not intended "to hurt" the charisma casters.
It was built back in the days of 3.X, specifically for people who multi-classed Wizards and Clerics. It's presence in Pathfinder is mainly via legacy.
And whether charisma characters are truly "hurt" by this setup is questionable. While they take a massive hit in spell levels, unlike the former they only have to build one casting stat instead of two. That's a major difference.
Two answer your question, there is nothing under the Paizo unmbrella as an alternative save perhaps taking the Witch class which comes closest to being a single class MT.
Third party products may have an alternatie
Jiggy
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Are the any prestige class out their like Mystical Theurge for charisma based casters. This class seems to intentionally hinder the CHA based casters, its main power is useless of them.
If your concern is what I think it is, you might be interested in this FAQ.
| Nargrakhan |
I thought I'd maybe just add in a bit of prospective about the Mystic Theurge.
There seems to be a large misconception that the prestige class is weak, because it doesn't grant simultaneous access to 9th level arcane and divine spells... and there's an incredibly slow rate of gaining what limited level spells it does.
Yea... it's weak from that angle...
The Mystic Theurge is about having access to BOTH arcane and divine spells. That's pretty much it's bread and butter. There's not much else to it: a one trick gimmick. Unless you're able to take advantage of that for the campaign you're in, you will only become dead weight for the rest of the party and find tremendous pain at being so much weaker than everyone else "pound for pound."
In the campaign I was in, high level magic was uber rare, predominantly was social encounters, and the GM didn't give us much time to rest between battles or missions. In that I had many chances to excel, given the vast amount of times I could cast spells before running dry. Plus being able to pump the heck outta of CHA.
I'd talk with the GM to see if the campaign would allow a Mystic Theurge to be useful. It's a very "niche" class IMHO. Can excel in some settings, but mostly turns to garbage in others.
| james maissen |
Are the any prestige class out their like Mystical Theurge for charisma based casters. This class seems to intentionally hinder the CHA based casters, its main power is useless of them.
Take a look at 'false priest' or 'Razimiran priest' sorcerer archetype..
might do the job for you,
James
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neferphras wrote:Are the any prestige class out their like Mystical Theurge for charisma based casters. This class seems to intentionally hinder the CHA based casters, its main power is useless of them.Take a look at 'false priest' or 'Razimiran priest' sorcerer archetype..
might do the job for you,
James
interesting choices
does not quite do the trick but interesting.| Aioran |
Mystic Theurge: How does the second paragraph affect dual-spontaneous casters, such as an oracle/sorcerer/mystic theurge?
The text in question is:
Spontaneous spellcasters can only select spells that they have prepared that day using non-spontaneous classes for this ability, even if the spells have already been cast.The intent of this text is actually a limitation on the prepared-caster class, not the spontaneous-caster class; the limitation is not what spells the spontaneous-caster class can use with the combined spells ability, it is what spells the prepared-caster class can provide for the combined spells ability.
For example, if a cleric/sorcerer/mystic theurge didn't prepare any lesser restoration spells today, he can't use sorcerer spell slots to cast lesser restoration (because he can only use this ability to access cleric spells he prepared that day). However, nothing in the ability description prevents him from using his (must-be-prepared) cleric spell slots to prepare (spontaneous) sorcerer spells he knows.
Likewise, an oracle/sorcerer/mystic theurge can use sorcerer spell slots to cast oracle spells, or oracle spell slots to cast sorcerer spells, so long as the level increases and level limits described in the combine spells ability are implemented. Neither class is affected by the "only spells they have prepared" rule because that rule only applies to mystic theurges who have levels in a non-spontaneous casting class.
A clearer version of the above quoted rule would be:
If one of the theurge's spellcasting classes is a non-spontaneous spellcaster (such as a cleric) and the other is a spontaneous caster (such as a sorcerer), he can only spontaneously cast spells from the non-spontaneous class that he actually prepared that day (whether or not he has cast those prepared spells).—Pathfinder Design Team, 08/03/13
| SeeleyOne |
Hm? Not sure what you mean. Mystic Theurge works for CHA based casters, exactly how it works for INT based casters.
I've played a 4 Sor/4 Ora/10 MTh before -- with all the advantages and disadvantages that applied with it.
I am planning this route as well. I started as a Sorcerer, but our party is kind of healer weak, so I multi-classed to Oracle. Sure, the other party Sorcerer will out-cast me as a Sorcerer, but overall I will have more spells available to me.
I had to change my character concept a bit, but it seems to me that the Mystic Theurge can actually be BETTER for an Oracle/Sorcerer. Sure, you take a "hit" in levels, but it can still be a good member of the party. This type of character is best as a "support" character. and I plan to put many of my spells in Buffing the rest of the party.
| Nargrakhan |
I am planning this route as well. I started as a Sorcerer, but our party is kind of healer weak, so I multi-classed to Oracle. Sure, the other party Sorcerer will out-cast me as a Sorcerer, but overall I will have more spells available to me.
The campaign I played was a lot like Conan the Barbarian, with magic being a long lost art. The GM almost refused to let me play a spellcaster because of that, but relented when I explained my character concept, and how slow I'd get magic. Being a Mystic Theurge that didn't have to worry about "the magic power curve" was awesome.
Being a Sor/Ora/MTh was crazy fun. Sooooo many spells per day!!!