Sap Adept, Sap Master and Knockout artist
Those feats do what they say.
A level 5 ninja (+3d6 sneak attack) with Sap adept and Sap master will do +6d6+12 nonlethal damage
Throwing knockout artist into the mix that makes +6d6+18 nonlethal damage.
Does Rogues vest add +2d6+6 with those 3 feats instead of the normal 1d6? yes.
Though remember it is quite difficult to get an opponent flat-footed (not the same as denied dex) reliably. There are ways but they are mostly very feat intensive.
Forgotten Trick
This trick is only chosen once. You either have it or you don't. Then you spend 2 ki to get the use of a single feat (that she qualifies for) for a number rounds equal to her ninja level.
Forgotten Trick + Deflect Arrow
No. Ki can only be spent as a swift action (or standard action depending on the ability), which means only on your turn can you activate it. It cannot be activated as an immediate action which is what you are trying to do.
I disagree with Avianfoo.
Sap adept and knockout artist states you gain bonus sneak attack damage per dice.
Sap master does not add dice, it allows you to roll your sneak attack dice twice.
I do not know the RAI, but as I see it sap master specifically does not double your sneak attack dice - it allows you to roll your sneak attack dice twice. If sneak attack dice where shotguns, sap master would not give you extra shotguns - it would make those you have dual-barreled. And sap adept/knockout artist cares about the number of shotguns you use.
But, Ilja, that means that you roll more dice and they are all sneak attack dice.
But I agree that I don't really know what the RAI is.
I don't think so. In that case, the language in Sap Master would have been different (something like "double your number of sneak attack dice").
I'm not sure of course, but nothing in sap master says you get extra dice - it says you get to roll your sneak attack dice twice. This is an uncommon way of wording it, which could indicate it's intentional - and since Sap Adept is a prerequisite, the writers where probably aware of the potential of them working together.
If dice are treated as "units" in the system, which the feats seem to indicate, then Sap Master increases the size of the units while sap adept is based on the number of units.
It might be easier to think of them as physical dice even. Basicall, on every odd new level, you buy yourself another dice. At 5th level you have 3 sneak attack dice. Sap master does not give you extra dice - it allows you to roll the ones you have twice and add up the results. There could potentially be feats that allow you to get extra dice, but they would say so in their text.
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I don't think so. In that case, the language in Sap Master would have been different (something like "double your number of sneak attack dice").
I'm not sure of course, but nothing in sap master says you get extra dice - it says you get to roll your sneak attack dice twice. This is an uncommon way of wording it, which could indicate it's intentional - and since Sap Adept is a prerequisite, the writers where probably aware of the potential of them working together.
If dice are treated as "units" in the system, which the feats seem to indicate, then Sap Master increases the size of the units while sap adept is based on the number of units.
It might be easier to think of them as physical dice even. Basicall, on every odd new level, you buy yourself another dice. At 5th level you have 3 sneak attack dice. Sap master does not give you extra dice - it allows you to roll the ones you have twice and add up the results. There could potentially be feats that allow you to get extra dice, but they would say so in their text.
Mathematically, how is 'roll 3d6 twice, and total the results' different than 'roll 6d6, and total the results'?
Mathematically, how is 'roll 3d6 twice, and total the results' different than 'roll 6d6, and total the results'?
When it's "roll three six-sided dice two times each, and add +1 for every dice rolled" vs "roll six six-sided dice, and add +1 for every dice rolled".
That's when it can make a difference.
I think it is impossible to prove either way. The simple wording would have been, "double sneak attack damage."
But with what is written, I think both sides have completely valid points.
Unfortunately , this is more common within the rules than any of us would like.
James Jacobs on this matter: Link
As he says, if you have 3d6 SA and the feats sap adept/sap master/knockout artist, you would get a total of 6d6+18.
Good find. That's a clear indication of RAI so that's what I'd go with.
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Mathematically, how is 'roll 3d6 twice, and total the results' different than 'roll 6d6, and total the results'?When it's "roll three six-sided dice two times each, and add +1 for every dice rolled" vs "roll six six-sided dice, and add +1 for every dice rolled".
That's when it can make a difference.
Ah, gotcha... I missed that on the first read through.
Feather Fall (Su): As an immediate action, the ninja can slow her descent as if using feather fall. This ability uses her ninja level as the caster level. Each use of this ability uses up 1 ki point
Boots of the Cat
Aura faint transmutation; CL 1st
Slot feet; Price 1,000 gp; Weight 1 lb.
DESCRIPTION
These high-soled blue boots provide a great deal of comfort and arch support while also making the wearer appear a little bit taller than normal.
The boot’s wearer always takes the minimum possible damage from falls (as if the GM had rolled a 1 on each die of damage incurred by the fall) and at the end of a fall always lands on his feet.
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Don't waste an ability slot for Feather Fall when there is such a cheap item that does almost the same thing.
Mapleswitch: One might want to have boots of haste though.