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Magus has the trait magical lineage for shocking grasp. In the morning the magus preps shocking grasp with the Intensive magic feat. With the magical lineage feat the spell intensive shocking grasp is still considered being 1st level instead of being bumped up to 2nd level which it would have been without the trait.

Question -
7th level Magus uses this intensive shocking grasp during combat and then does a spell recall next round. How many arcane points does the magus spend and does the spell recall bring back just a normal 5d6 shocking grasp or the intensive 7d6 shocking grasp?


Still looking for a answer.


i can surely answer the fact that he spends only 1 point from the pool


At 4th level, the magus learns to use his arcane pool to recall spells he has already cast. With a swift action he can recall any single magus spell that he has already prepared and cast that day by expending a number of points from his arcane pool equal to the spell’s level (minimum 1). The spell is prepared again, just as if it had not been cast.

Since metamagic feats (except Heighten) don't increase the spell's level (just the slot), it would seem that he could spend 1 point and recover a metamagicked Shocking Grasp, whether he had metamagic lineage or not, no matter how many metamagics were on it, since the spell is refreshed 'just as if it had not been cast'.

Sczarni

Since most magi do exactly this, including mine, pretty sure the answer is just 1pt.

What makes you believe it would be otherwise?


The general question has come up, although leaving out the Magical Lineage portion of the question. No specific ruling has been issued.

For the purposes of Magical Lineage (assuming that you can recall a spell with metamagic modification to it) I would agree that you'd only need to spend one point.

Without Magical Lineage, I think it would be somewhat overpowered if you paid only the base cost of the spell.

Feel free to click the FAQ on it, as having an answer to this in general (since it would give some input on how pearls of power function with metamagic'ed spells as well) would be nice.


Matt2VK wrote:

Question -

7th level Magus uses this intensive shocking grasp during combat and then does a spell recall next round. How many arcane points does the magus spend and does the spell recall bring back just a normal 5d6 shocking grasp or the intensive 7d6 shocking grasp?

For this, as for pearls of power.. go with the 'slot' level.. i.e. the level of spell slot you need to cast the spell.

-James


james maissen wrote:
Matt2VK wrote:

Question -

7th level Magus uses this intensive shocking grasp during combat and then does a spell recall next round. How many arcane points does the magus spend and does the spell recall bring back just a normal 5d6 shocking grasp or the intensive 7d6 shocking grasp?

For this, as for pearls of power.. go with the 'slot' level.. i.e. the level of spell slot you need to cast the spell.

-James

RAW it is the spell level, not the spell slot level.

RAI, if/when we get a ruling on this I'll be extremely surprised if it isn't based on spell slot level.

Sczarni

Pearl of Power wrote:
This seemingly normal pearl of average size and luster is a potent aid to all spellcasters who prepare spells (clerics, druids, rangers, paladins, and wizards). Once per day on command, a pearl of power enables the possessor to recall any one spell that she had prepared and then cast that day. The spell is then prepared again, just as if it had not been cast. The spell must be of a particular level, depending on the pearl. Different pearls exist for recalling one spell per day of each level from 1st through 9th and for the recall of two spells per day (each of a different level, 6th or lower).

It looks like a Pearl of Power functions exactly the same as Spell Recall.

So, let's say my Magus has the trait Magical Lineage (Shocking Grasp). I prepare an Intensified Shocking Grasp in my 1st level slot, and I prepare an Intensified Burning Hands in my 2nd level slot. I cast them both. I own a 1st level Pearl of Power, and a 2nd level Pearl of Power.

I don't think anyone will argue that you can't use the 1st level Pearl on the Intensified Shocking Grasp, which in every way is a 1st level spell that takes up a 1st level slot.

But can I use the 2nd level Pearl of Power to recall my Intensified Burning hands spell? Or would I have to use the 1st level Pearl? When you use a Pearl of Power, you can only get back a spell of the specified level. You could not, for example, use a 3rd level Pearl to recall a 1st level spell.

So, although it pains me much to say it, because it goes against every fiber of my RAI interpretations, I suppose my 2nd level Pearl would not work.

FAQ'd.


bbangerter wrote:

RAW it is the spell level, not the spell slot level.

RAI, if/when we get a ruling on this I'll be extremely surprised if it isn't based on spell slot level.

The problem is that there is no term 'spell slot level' and the term that we do have 'spell level' applies to multiple different things in the rules.

That and caster level were my favorite design ambiguities of the 3e system... with a recent FAQ another term is raising its 'hand'...

-James

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