number two. Attack nearest living being, even if unconscious. Dead creatures aren't technically creatures anymore, but are considered objects. That's the reason
No, creature. So it could be a golem or zombie too. By raw this I would rule anything active/breathing/twitching. Whatever the verbiage to include not destroyed.
If there's nobody around, does the Wild Rager attack itself in its confusion?
If there's nobody around, does the Wild Rager attack itself in its confusion?
No, there is an option for that in the rule already.
Deal 1d8 points of damage + Str modifier to self with item in hand
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Wild Rager hurt itself in its confusion.
As long as we're on the topic, confusion isn't actually a status effect, so Full Restore and other status-healing items wouldn't cure it. You need to switch it out or end the battle.
If you're just using it for HP, then a Max Potion suffices.
On topic, one thing- the confused creature's familiars and such count as part of itself for the purposes of confusion, although that's not really relevant to Wild Ragers.
Dead creatures aren't technically creatures anymore, but are considered objects.
Just to be clear, as I just had to post this is another thread a few moments ago, but if you are dead, you are a "dead creature" not an object. Raise Dead and Resurrection do not work on objects. They work on dead creatures.
I would say that a creature that is confused and attacks the nearest creature, would go for conscious creatures, not dead or unconscious ones.
I'm aware that it was, I had thought that because it didn't have its own three-letter icon like burn, poison, and the rest that Full Heal didn't affect it. I was wrong.
On topic, I agree with the others who say that a confused creature ignores anything that isn't currently moving.
Agreed, only active threats. Confusion meddles with your perception of friends and foes, and "attack nearest creature" is just self defense. BTW, Confusion should be [Charm], not [Compulsion].
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As long as we're on the topic, confusion isn't actually a status effect, so Full Restore and other status-healing items wouldn't cure it. You need to switch it out or end the battle.
If you're just using it for HP, then a Max Potion suffices.
On topic, one thing- the confused creature's familiars and such count as part of itself for the purposes of confusion, although that's not really relevant to Wild Ragers.
confused is under the conditions in the glossary.
I'm aware that it was, I had thought that because it didn't have its own three-letter icon like burn, poison, and the rest that Full Heal didn't affect it. I was wrong.
"three-letter icon"
What is that?
On topic, I agree with the others who say that a confused creature ignores anything that isn't currently moving.
Agreed. I think you can "play dead" and try to deceive him too.
Bluff vs. Sense motive while raging or confused should be relatively easy. I would put the DC modifiers between +5 (The target wants to believe you) and 0 (The lie is believable).
Diego Rossi doesn't do teh Pokemans, obviously.
"Dead creature" is a specific type of object.
I am not arguing with you Blackbloodtroll, but is this in the rules anywhere in Pathfinder? It is an important distinction and I do not need the rules to spell everything out for me, but if you make that transition to object, then it deserves a line somewhere.
While we're on the subject of confused (50% questions and 50% rhetorical rant):
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A confused creature who can't carry out the indicated action does nothing but babble incoherently. Attackers are not at any special advantage when attacking a confused creature. Any confused creature who is attacked automatically attacks its attackers on its next turn, as long as it is still confused when its turn comes. Note that a confused creature will not make attacks of opportunity against anything that it is not already devoted to attacking (either because of its most recent action or because it has just been attacked).
The two bolded sections are somewhat contradictory. The first bolded sentence implies that a confused creature will go after its last attacker round after round, until that attacker is dead. The second implies that a confused character attacks its most recent attacker only on its next turn, so it would not necessarily auto-attack a creature round after round unless that creature continued to attack it.
The
Does anyone know why this verbage was added to the confused condition for Pathfinder? It didn't exist in 3.5. It's always been bad enough that two adjacent confused creatures can get stuck in an infinite loop of mutual death until either 1) a third creature gets involved or 2) one of the two loses its confused condition; that entire, "attacks until dead," clause makes adjudicating this condition on numerous targets very challenging. It makes the condition contradict itself in how a confused creature acts from round to round.
The situation was adjudicated as literally zero chance of any character being able to break out of the auto-attack loop. Ex. - character A randomly attacks character B. Character B auto-attacks character A, and vice-versa until one is dead. Character C comes along mid-way through the mutual death exchange and attacks character A. Character A then attacked character C as his most recent attacker. Character B, even though not attacked for one round, still attacked character A because it was his most recent attacker and not dead.
This just doesn't seem like how the confused condition should operate to me.
"Dead creature" is a specific type of object.I am not arguing with you Blackbloodtroll, but is this in the rules anywhere in Pathfinder? It is an important distinction and I do not need the rules to spell everything out for me, but if you make that transition to object, then it deserves a line somewhere.
It's not exactly the best place for it, but the Decompose Corpse spell refers to its saving throws as being against objects (emphasis mine).
School necromancy; Level cleric 1, druid 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a pinch of dried toadstool)
Range touch
Target one corpse or corporeal undead
Duration instantaneous or 1 minute; see text
Saving Throw Fortitude negates (object); Spell Resistance yes (object)
Using this spell, the caster rapidly decomposes the flesh from a single corpse of size Huge or smaller, leaving behind a perfectly cleaned skeleton. If it is cast on a non-skeletal corporeal undead, the creature takes a –2 penalty on all rolls and to its Armor Class and CMD for 1 minute.
To me, it looks like a corpse is both a 'creature' and an 'object'.
It's not exactly the best place for it, but the Decompose Corpse spell refers to its saving throws as being against objects (emphasis mine).
To me, it looks like a corpse is both a 'creature' and an 'object'.
True and not to totally derail the thread, but Gentle Repose uses the same target as "corpse" and is able to be used on a an object. My point was that Raise Dead, Resurrection, and Breath of Life do not say they are able to be used on a target so we are just left to our own devices to determine how to adjudicate this.
Again, in relation to the Confusion spell or effect I would say that the confused creature would ignore unconscious or dead creatures and try and attack the nearest living creature that is not unconscious or helpless in some way.
@WRoy: It says it attacks its LAST attacker until it is dead or destroyed.
I.e. the person who most recently attacked it. If that's only one guy, then he attacks that guy until it's dead. If multiple guys are taking turns, he'll swap to whichever was the most recent attacker and attack to kill, until someone else attacks him.
No contradiction that I can see.
@WRoy: It says it attacks its LAST attacker until it is dead or destroyed.
I.e. the person who most recently attacked it. If that's only one guy, then he attacks that guy until it's dead. If multiple guys are taking turns, he'll swap to whichever was the most recent attacker and attack to kill, until someone else attacks him.
No contradiction that I can see.
It's contradictory to the way confusion worked once upon a time, and gets to be a real mess when you have a sizable number of confused characters all at once. The change from 3.5 to PF for it seems arbitrary and unnecessary to me.
So maybe 25% questions and 75% rant. :P It wasn't really on-topic anyways, so I'll go back to my geezer gamer's chair and stop shaking my cane before I derail this further.