| Ultradan |
Hi folks, quick simple question for you guys...
Last game there was an argument about this and I was wondering what the experts on the Paizo boards thought about it:
Say you're a rogue with a cloak of displacement (and activate it during melee); Does this allow you to make sneak attacks on opponents?
Thanks
Ultradan
| Claxon |
No, wearing a cloak of displacement does not allow you to make a sneak attack.
Sneak Attack: If a rogue can catch an opponent when he is unable to defend himself effectively from her attack, she can strike a vital spot for extra damage.
The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.
With a weapon that deals nonlethal damage (like a sap, whip, or an unarmed strike), a rogue can make a sneak attack that deals nonlethal damage instead of lethal damage. She cannot use a weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage in a sneak attack, not even with the usual –4 penalty.
The rogue must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment.
Cloak of Displacement, Minor
This item appears to be a normal cloak, but when worn by a character, its magical properties distort and warp light waves. This displacement works similar to the blur spell, granting a 20% miss chance on attacks against the wearer. It functions continually.
The cloak of displacement conveys a 20% miss chance, nothing more. It does not deny an opponent their dexterity modifier nor does it qualify you for flanking.
| DM_Blake |
Here is a link to another thread where this is discussed.
This was right before Paizo changed the Stealth rules (Stealth didn't allow sneak attacks when this thread was new, but now it does). Nevertheless, the discussion about whether having a "blurred, shifting, and wavering" outline means the enemy cannot see you.
Your outline is blurry and shifty, but the enemies can still see you. In fact, if he CANNOT see you, he won't even know that you're blurry and you can sneak attack BECAUSE he cannot see you - the Blur spell Or the cloak) won't affect that. So obviously, your enemy must see you for him to even know that you ARE blurry, which means you're in plain sight - you cannot use stealth in plain sight (however, you can begin your round in with stealth and move to the target and sneak attack, but you can always do that even without the Blur spell or the cloak).
In short, anything you can do (regarding stealth and sneak attacks) without the Blur spell or a Cloak of Displacement you can do with it, and anything you cannot do without the spell/cloak (such as standing in plain sight and gaining concealment without even trying to hide), you also cannot do with it.
| StreamOfTheSky |
Concealment (ie, 20%) does not let you sneak attack, though it gives you the ability to hide in it even if the surroundings are completely lacking for other cover or concealment to hide in/behind, which is nice. Make the stealth check to go into hiding when no one is around, then walk down main street in broad daylight and still get the benefit of stealth.
Total concealment (ie, 50%) means they cannot see you, so you do get sneak attack on every attack as you are no longer visible to them.