What are the to hit bonuses for a 8th level figther with 20 STR, weapon focus, and 2 weapon fighting feat? He uses aldori deuling blades.
Main hand first attack - +12
BAB - 8
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (6)
Off hand ligt weapon - 2
2 Wpn feat - 2
Off hand first attack - +12
BAB - 8
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (10)
Off hand ligt weapon - 2
2 Wpn feat - 6
Second attack main hand - +7
BAB - 3
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (6)
Off hand ligt weapon - 2
2 Wpn feat - 2
Plus this guy is a dragon disciple and he gets 3 natural attacks 3 times a day. So 3 times a day he gets 6 attacks. Natural attacks would be
Natural Attack Claw +8
BAB - 3
Str - 5
Does this all look correct?
Thanks,
John
I don't have the stats for the aldori dueling blades handy, but assuming that you can use them as light weapons for purposes of TWF here goes...
BAB +8, STR +5, weapon focus +1, (weapon training +1 also, right?), TWF light weapons -2
Melee: aldori dueling blade +13/+8 and aldori dueling blade +13 and 3 natural attacks +8
If you don't have weapon training with the aldori dueling blades then subtract 1 from those attacks. Hope that helps.
Aldori Dueling Blades are not light weapons.
Your fighter should probably have Weapon Training "Heavy Blades" so he would get +1 to hit and damage with his Aldori Dueling Blades.
I don't believe you can dual-wield swords (or any weapons) and use natural attacks at the same time. Not normally, unless you have some other ability to make this possible.
Given those changes:
Main hand first attack - +11
BAB - 8
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (6)
Weapon Training - 1
2 Wpn feat - 2
Off hand first attack - +11
BAB - 8
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (10)
Weapon Training - 1
2 Wpn feat - 6
Second attack main hand - +6
BAB - 3
Str - 5
Weapon Focus - 1
2 Wpn penalty - (6)
Weapon Training - 1
2 Wpn feat - 2
When fighting with just the swords he would be 2 lower. Aldori swords are not light weapons. When he is not using a light weapon on the off hand he is getting a -4 isntead of a -2. Page 202 core rule book chart 8-7.
Now on to where he wants to use natural attacks. He is not gettign 6 attacks. He can not use claws on hid hands at the same time he uses his swords so he is getting only 1 extra attack. That attack will be as follows.
8 for bab, -5 secondary attack (since he is using his swords) +5 for strength for +8.
With sword and bite he is thus
Swords 10,10,5 with a bite at +8 for four attacks.With Claw Claw Bite he would be +13,+13,+13 However he would have only 3 attacks.
He actually has his claws on his feat he says. This was discussed in another thread. In that one it was concluded that if claws are on feat, you can use all of your weapon attacks and claw attacks.
Thanks for letting me know about the sword.
So five attacks at +10, +5, +10, +5, +8, +8, +8?
So five attacks at +10, +5, +10, +5, +8, +8, +8?
That's more than five attacks, you listed SEVEN attacks there.
I leave it up to you to decide how ridiculous (or not) it is for someone to swing a pair of blades three times AND somehow hop in the air and make three claw attacks with his feet. I didn't read that thread, but it seems not only ridiculous to me, but also unbalanced with other game rules.
I wouldn't allow anything more than 3 blade attacks and one bite.
Your call.
In any case, you haven't told us the full classes/levels of this character. The bite attack of Dragon Disciple is not learned until 2nd level in that PrC, right? Which means he has more BAB than your OP says he has (at least 9 BAB, maybe more depending on his sorcerer levels or actual Dragon Disciple levels).
Whatever you decide about the number of attacks, you might want to audit the full BAB this character gets from all his classes.
Side note, I assume his CHA is exactly 11? Less, and he probably failed the prerequisite for Dragon Disciple, more and can do this more than 3/day, right?
It should only be five attacks, I added an additional +5 for an off hand attack in there. I think if he gets improved 2 weapon fighting he will get 4 attacks not including natural attacks.
It is a bit crazy I agree. This guy also has a super high AC. We are all old guys and he is in 8th grade. So I am taking the advice I have heard before and not saying no, just saying OK but. So if this guy is gonig to be this tough, I need to just amp up the encounters.
It should only be five attacks, I added an additional +5 for an off hand attack in there. I think if he gets improved 2 weapon fighting he will get 4 attacks not including natural attacks.
It is a bit crazy I agree. This guy also has a super high AC. We are all old guys and he is in 8th grade. So I am taking the advice I have heard before and not saying no, just saying OK but. So if this guy is gonig to be this tough, I need to just amp up the encounters.
Never saying "no" is poor advice. Much better is usually saying "yes" but occasionally saying "no". Ughbash is correct, just about the only thing using rear claws that comes to mind are creatures with the "Rake" ability, which I bet your player doesn't have.
The worst part is that when you "amp up the encounters" because one guys is scamming you and breaking the system, then the other PCs also have to face those amped-up encounters but they don't have the benefit of also breaking the system so they are over matched. In this case, it's probably far better if this is one of the occasional times to just say "No" and keep the scamming to a minimum (preferably to nonexistent, IMO).
Don't forget to audit for the rest of the character's BAB.
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Ramping up encounters because of one overpowered PC is going to end up hurting the rest of the party in the end. The better solution would be to talk to him and explain how and why he can't do what he is wanting to do. Being in 8th grade is no excuse to allow him to do whatever he wants at the possible expense of the rest of the party. Use some of the logic from some of the posts in this thread along with actual rules. The cat creature is a perfect example. They have claws on all 4 paws but still only get bite and front claw attacks. Some get a rake ability which lets them use the back claws on a pounce or if they are grappled. If he wanted them on his feet I would let him use them only if he was grappled (since he can't pounce).
Ramping up encounters because of one overpowered PC is going to end up hurting the rest of the party in the end.
I guess he is over powered. He is following the official Pathfinder rules as far as we can tell. The only questionable thing is the additional 3 natural attacks up to 3x per day which I came to the forums to get advice on.
I don't mind telling him he has to have his claws on his hands, but otherwise is character is legal. This seems to be more of an issue with the rules set. This guy wants to make as strong a character as possible following the rules.
Points are well taken though, thanks for the advice.
I believe, but could be mistaken, that for PF, claws go on hands (or forefeet) and talons go on feet (or hindfeet). That means the PC couldn't have "clawed feet", since the prestige class gives "claws" not "talons".
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though.