Racial question. Could a tiefling for other half a drow?

[Salarain]

Howdy everyone,

I was pondering on creating on a race of a tiefling. I wanted to find out the humon part of the tiefling be other race mix like a Drow. Like for other a drawf, Half-Orc, elf and so on. I would like to use the drow as the other half of the tiefling. How would this work.

I have older character in 2nd Ed. As a half tiefling Drow.

[Vamptastic]

I think traditionally you can't, as those would just be Half Fiends. Tieflings are specifically part human.

But hey, build your original idea anyway and see what your DM says.

[James Jacobs]

Tieflings can in fact have different humanoid halves, but this doesn't really impact their abilities much. You can, of course, assign different variant tiefling abilities to a tiefling/drow or whatever. Blood of Fiends actually talks a little about this (see page 4).

But yeah; most tieflings are part human.

[Lincoln Hills]

Seems like almost everything that's a blurring of racial lines is part human.

Hey, maybe that's another, very well-hidden racial ability. We'm seductive!

[LeleyX]

On page 4 of blood of fiends you'll find that when fiends and non-humans mate their offspring are still only tieflings, any other changes tend to cosmetic only. On the other hand the same book has a number of alternatives for bloodlines such as the difference between a demonic and infernal descendant.

Talk to your GM though, he may allow for a more extreme transformation, the half-fiend template on top of a drow character is a good example, you could start as a level 0 character maybe that way.

[Darigaaz the Igniter]

Lizardfolk tiefling here I come!

[Salarain]

Non-Human Tiefling in book Blood of Fiends page 4
The creature of the depths of the outer planes do not limit their foul miscegenation to humanity. Elves, Dwarves, Halfling, and gnomes all have tales of tieflings in their histories, and those who appear among them now often suffer even greater stigma than those born to humans.
Other humanoids see tieflings in their midst as well. Many of the monstrous races of the world have demonic origins most notably gnolls, who still thank the mother of monsters for their birth. Ogres, orcs, half-orcs, goblins, and other creatures that call upon the powers of the evil Outer Planes are equally likely to see tieflings living among them, but unless a given race holds to code of racial purity, tieflings are far less likely to be shunned by such populations...
In game terms, the difference between non-human tieflings and human tieflings is purely a matter of size. Unless they have specific tiefling-related size modifiers, the tieflings of each of these races are the same size as their non-fiendish ancestors. They gain any of the bonuses or penalties related to that size, but gain no racial bonuses except those of the tiefling; beyond size, their humanoid ancestry is purely cosmetic.

So I was thinking Demon-Spawn or Div-Spawn Tiefling, Drow
Demon Modifiers (+2STR, +2CHA, -2INT)
Or
Div Modifiers (+2DEX, +2CHA, -2INT)

[Shane LeRose]

Lincoln Hills wrote:

Seems like almost everything that's a blurring of racial lines is part human.

Hey, maybe that's another, very well-hidden racial ability. We'm seductive!

This concept has always irked me.

So I gave it an outright reasoning in my home campaign!

If you care:

Humans were the first race to be created by the Gods. They were instilled with the divine spark and acted as direct agents of the Gods. As time passed the world (called Raia) was populated with new, lesser races, all of which were derived by humans, but each with a unique flare applied by the creating God. Eventually, after the other races were created and began to accrue divine favor, the humans grew jealous of those who came after them. The humans, with the divine spark to empower them, rose against their creators. They sided with Those Who Sit in Shadow and tried to take over the multi-verse. This did not end well for the First Race. They were defeated, cast out, and forced to live amongst those they were once jealous of.

This is why humans can breed with all races (all races, technically, came from humans). It is also why humans can achieve such great power with such a short life span (the potential already exist within them). It is also why most races look down on humans (they "showed up" long after the race, elves, dwarves, etc had already established dominion over most of the world).

Just how I chose to interpret things for my home campaign

Of course the chosen of the Gods would be the most seductive!

[Salarain]

Salarain wrote:

Non-Human Tiefling in book Blood of Fiends page 4

The creature of the depths of the outer planes do not limit their foul miscegenation to humanity. Elves, Dwarves, Halfling, and gnomes all have tales of tieflings in their histories, and those who appear among them now often suffer even greater stigma than those born to humans.
Other humanoids see tieflings in their midst as well. Many of the monstrous races of the world have demonic origins most notably gnolls, who still thank the mother of monsters for their birth. Ogres, orcs, half-orcs, goblins, and other creatures that call upon the powers of the evil Outer Planes are equally likely to see tieflings living among them, but unless a given race holds to code of racial purity, tieflings are far less likely to be shunned by such populations...
In game terms, the difference between non-human tieflings and human tieflings is purely a matter of size. Unless they have specific tiefling-related size modifiers, the tieflings of each of these races are the same size as their non-fiendish ancestors. They gain any of the bonuses or penalties related to that size, but gain no racial bonuses except those of the tiefling; beyond size, their humanoid ancestry is purely cosmetic.

So I was thinking Demon-Spawn or Div-Spawn Tiefling, Drow
Demon Modifiers (+2STR, +2CHA, -2INT)
Or
Div Modifiers (+2DEX, +2CHA, -2INT)

could these two combine or am I just the tiefling?

Table: Race Point Costs (Standard Drow)
Racial Traits Race Point Cost
Type Humanoid (elf) 0
Size Medium 0
Base Speed Normal 0
Ability Score Modifiers Standard (+2 Dex, –2 Con, +2 Cha) 0
Languages Standard 0
Immunities Elven immunities 2
Resistances Spell resistance, lesser 2
Skill Bonus Perception 2
Spell-Like Ability Lesser 4
Skills Poison use 1
Offense Weapon familiarity 2
Senses Darkvision 120 ft. 3
Weaknesses Light blindness –2
Total 14

Table: Race Point Costs
Racial Traits Race Point Cost
Type Outsider (native) 3
Size Medium 0
Base Speed Normal 0
Ability Score Modifiers Standard (+2 Dex, +2 Int, –2 Cha) 0
Languages Standard 0
Resistances Fiendish resistance 3
Skill Bonus Bluff 2
Skill Bonus Stealth 2
Misc. Fiendish sorcery 1
Spell-Like Ability Lesser 2
Senses Darkvision 60 ft. —
Total 13

Trying to keep the points in the 13 or 14 range cost.

[Salarain]

Would this work by RP system? In the Ultimate Campaign.
Table: Race Point Costs (Standard Drow)
Racial Traits Race Point Cost
Type Humanoid (elf) 0
Size Medium 0
Base Speed Normal 0
Languages Standard 0
Immunities Elven immunities 2
Resistances Spell resistance, lesser 2
Skill Bonus Perception 2
Offense Weapon familiarity 2
Total 8

Table: Race Point Costs
Racial Traits Race Point Cost
Type Outsider (native) 3
Size Medium 0
Base Speed Normal 0
Ability Score Modifiers Standard (+2 Dex, +2 Int, –2 Cha) 0
Languages Standard 0
Misc. Fiendish sorcery 1
Spell-Like Ability Lesser 2
Senses Darkvision 60 ft. —
Total 6

Tiefling + Drow combine Total 14