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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-a rchetypes/sohei
"Monastic Mount (Su)
At 4th level, a sohei may spend 1 point from his ki pool to grant his mount temporary hit points equal to twice his level for 1 hour per level. In addition, as long as the sohei and his mount are adjacent, including when mounted, the mount gains any of the following abilities the sohei possesses: AC bonus, diamond soul, evasion, high jump, improved evasion, ki strike (as long as the sohei has at least 1 point in his ki pool), perfect self, and still mind. When a sohei spends points from his ki pool, his mount gains the same benefits as the sohei.
This ability replaces fast movement and increased unarmed damage."
Its is not defined when and how a given creature becomes "his mount" (aka the soheis mount). What does a sohei or a given creature have to do, so that the creature can be treated as "his mount"? edit: And when and how does "his mount" stop being "his mount"?
It is not clear, whether for the effects following "In addition" the monk has to sepnd 1 ki pool point for temp hit points or whether "his mount" is also receiving benefits, while not temporary hit points effect. Does "his mount" always get the benefits while adjacent?
It is also not obvious that a sohei might not have several mounts at a agiven time, all benefitting from sohei, since he must not be mounted for the mount to gain benefits.
2 examples of resulting unclear scnearios:
Sohei stand nexts to the rangers large wolf companion. Says to GM "The rangers wolf companion is now my mount, i spend 1 point from my ki pool, so he gains temp hit points. Also wolf has now AC bonus, diamond soul, evasion, high jump, improved evasion, ki strike,perfect self, and still mind." GM answer?
Instead of just declaring, he also mounts the large wold companion (with the ranger making the wolf accepting that). GM answer?
Prior to entering the dungeon sohei realizes, that he has enough ki pool anyway, sorcerer throws a reduce person on him, he climbs on all 3 other PCs and spends a ki point each time, so they all receive temp HPs and receive benefits while adjacent to him. What is RAI about that scenario?
Please no comments "No GM would ever allow this.", "Ridiculous nonsense.", "That was never intended." and so on, because i look at the wording and it is not clear and i am not certain about RAI. It would make sense, if the sohei had some companion ability, but he hasnt, therefore "his mount" is not defined and can be anything mountable including other PCs if the monks size is not too large.
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A creature is your mount when you are mounted upon it.
Prior to entering the dungeon sohei realizes, that he has enough ki pool anyway, sorcerer throws a reduce person on him, he climbs on all 3 other PCs and spends a ki point each time, so they all receive temp HPs and receive benefits while adjacent to him. What is RAI about that scenario?
Please no comments "No GM would ever allow this.", "Ridiculous nonsense.", "That was never intended." and so on, because i look at the wording and it is not clear and i am not certain about RAI. It would make sense, if the sohei had some companion ability, but he hasnt, therefore "his mount" is not defined and can be anything mountable including other PCs if the monks size is not too large.
In a case where failure to use common sense is such an issue, I would point out that a creature is acting as a mount only while mounted.
I would start by enforcing:
Mounts that do not possess combat training (see the Handle Animal skill) are frightened by combat. If you don't dismount, you must make a DC 20 Ride check each round as a move action to control such a mount.
Followed by:
If you attempt to ride a creature that is ill suited as a mount, you take a –5 penalty on your Ride
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A creature is your mount when you are mounted upon it.
Not in case of sohei mount:
"In addition, as long as the sohei and his mount are adjacent, including when mounted, the mount"The mount therefore can also receive the bonuses while the sohei is not mounted and it can still be the mount, even if sohei is not in saddle.
Sohei mounts a horse, spends ki, dismounts and stands next to horse. Per RAW horse still gets bonuses and therefore is still the thing referred to in rules as "his mount". edit: And i do not see, when it stops being his mount.
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Artanthos wrote:A creature is your mount when you are mounted upon it.
Not in case of sohei mount:
"In addition, as long as the sohei and his mount are adjacent, including when mounted, the mount"The mount therefore can also receive the bonuses while the sohei is not mounted and it can still be the mount, even if sohei is not in saddle.
Sohei mounts a horse, spends ki, dismounts and stands next to horse. Per RAW horse still gets bonuses and therefore is still the thins referred to in rules as "his mount".
If a creature is acting as a mount, I could expect the sohei to use all the rules regarding mounts.
Control mount in battle 20
Your going to be making a DC 20 ride check, with a -5 penalty for an inappropriate mount, every round to control your mount.
Since you are controlling the mount, I'll expect your mount to hand you his character sheet.
Note: the skill check does not specify when mounted, only that it applies to your mount.
Failure to control your mount in combat each round will have the results typical of failing to control any other mount. As per RAW, a mount lacking the combat training trick is frighted by combat.
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You mean when the sohei stops controlling the mount via riding checks, it stops being his mount?
Best case, it stands there and does nothing because it is uncontrolled and frightened.
Otherwise:
A frightened creature flees from the source of its fear as best it can. If unable to flee, it may fight. A frightened creature takes a –2 penalty on all attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. A frightened creature can use special abilities, including spells, to flee; indeed, the creature must use such means if they are the only way to escape.
And remember, your using a move action each time you attempt to control a mount without combat training while in combat.
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The question is not what it does, but what happens with the bonuses from the monastic mount ability. They seem to continue after dismounting.
If we discard common sense, the bonuses could be applied to characters.
I would also impose ALL the rules and penalties regarding mounts upon the characters involved.
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Thanks edit: cheapy for the link. I conclude from that, that the monastic mount ability is intended to boost one creature and not have the monk burn half his ki to buff all creatures that can be "his mount" for the entire day.
The simplest solution with that intent would be, that sohei can boost only one creature, which can serve as a mount (e.g. has in its description or in the mount price table that it can be used as a mount,so for example griffons, horses, rocs, elephants, tigers but not tendriculous), and that creature is his mount until he boost any other creature.
Though that would still him too boost anyone mountable animal companion of his allies, if he is fine with having no boosted for himself.