Beyond Colossal Damage


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Sczarni

Is it possible?


Not sure exactly what you mean...care to elaborate?


By what method are you getting there? Technically it is possible, but I don't believe there are many ways to reach that high. Usually when someone thinks they have it's because they're stacking things that don't stack.


What Kazumetsa Raijin is saying is that once you reach Colossal in terms of size to figure out how much damage you deal and what is beyond that.

Honestly I got no idea for what comes after Colossal Damage.


There is a chart somewhere that shows the progression, but I'm having trouble finding it.

I believe with that chart it also says that above colossal size you double the damage dice. However, as a DM I would slap the banhammer on that.


I dont know of any way for a PC to get it only monsters...I would just double the base damage dice..I think that is the rule anyway.

Sczarni

Er Yeah, I meant once you are doing Colossal Sized damage with whatever weapon, is it possible for any class or combination of classes to somehow go higher than Colossal.


I don't even know of an easy way to get to colossal size category, except maybe druid polymorphing into something and using strong jaw.


Ah gotcha, I thought you might be referring to the massive damage optional rule :P

As for the question...I really don't have any idea, but doubling seems reasonable.

Liberty's Edge

Claxon wrote:

There is a chart somewhere that shows the progression, but I'm having trouble finding it.

I believe with that chart it also says that above colossal size you double the damage dice. However, as a DM I would slap the banhammer on that.

I've never seen any such rule. Can you provide a page number?

There is this:

Bestiary p.302 wrote:

Table: Natural Attacks by Size

Natural Attack Base Damage by Size* Damage Type Attack type
Fine Dim. Tiny Small Medium Large Huge Garg. Col.
Bite 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B, P, and S Primary
Claw - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B and S Primary
Gore 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 P Primary
Hoof, Tentacle, Wing - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Secondary
Pincers, Tail Slap 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 4d6 B Secondary
Slam - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B Primary
Sting - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 P Primary
Talons - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 S Primary
Other - 1 1d2 1d3 1d4 1d6 1d8 2d6 2d8 B, P, or S Secondary

* Individual creatures vary from this value as appropriate.


Heymitch wrote:
Claxon wrote:

There is a chart somewhere that shows the progression, but I'm having trouble finding it.

I believe with that chart it also says that above colossal size you double the damage dice. However, as a DM I would slap the banhammer on that.

I've never seen any such rule. Can you provide a page number?

Actually I found it on the d20pfsrd entry for Strong Jaw.

Strong Jaw wrote:
Laying a hand upon an allied creature's jaw, claws, tentacles, or other natural weapons, you enhance the power of that creature's natural attacks. Each natural attack that creature makes deals damage as if the creature were two sizes larger than it actually is. If the creature is already Gargantuan or Colossal-sized, double the amount of damage dealt by each of its natural attacks instead. This spell does not actually change the creature's size; all of its statistics except the amount of damage dealt by its natural attacks remain unchanged.

Which also includes the chart for base damage by size.

Unfortunately, there isn't a chart for increasing weapon damage beyond large, so we are forced to use the same scaling present in the natural attack chart.


The clearest source for this is part of the Improved Natural Attack feat on Bestiary p315.
Note: there is a discrepancy when going from 2d6->2d8->4d6 on Table 3-1 (people provided it above) compared to 2d6->3d6->4d6 for Improved Natural Attack but other than that discrepancy they should match up.

Start with the dice you originally had, start increasing step by step as the size increases.

Note: doubling should not be used since doubling is in fact 2 size increases.

- Gauss

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