Eldritch Heritage states ...
Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.
If a character with the eldritch heritage feat multi-classes into sorcerer, are they restricted from taking the bloodline associated with their eldritch heritage?
If they are not restricted, do they lose the feat, replace the feat or change their eldritch heritage bloodline?
I'm of the opinion that you can take the bloodline but lose access to the feat and by RAW you don't get automatic retraining.
There were recently implemented rules for retraining which you can find here if your DM allows you to use them.
This might fall under the heading of "just don't do that". If you did it I guess maybe you'd just end up having a useless feat. Of course you could take an entirely different bloodline and gain the bloodline powers from both bloodlines.
If the player did this by mistake rather than trying to gain some sort of advantage by having the bloodline power at early levels then it might make sense to bend the rules and allow him or her to retrain the feat.
Personally, I love Sorcerer powers, and have had several characters before who were crossblooded sorcerers with Eldritch Heritage Feats. What's wrong with claiming he's got a different 'bloodline' that's just comprised of the powers of two, or just letting him be a sorcerous mutt?
Personally, I love Sorcerer powers, and have had several characters before who were crossblooded sorcerers with Eldritch Heritage Feats. What's wrong with claiming he's got a different 'bloodline' that's just comprised of the powers of two, or just letting him be a sorcerous mutt?
Nothing. You can be a crossblooded sorcerer and take the eldritch hertitage feats, it would just be a 'third' bloodline and can't be one of your original ones.
Adam - The question isn't about whether the PC can take a different Sorcerer bloodline and have the powers of both. That's clearly allowed (at least I think it is clear).
I think the question is what happens if you pick the same bloodline as a Sorcerer which you already chose for Eldritch Heritage. It looks like this might be a good use for the retraining rules which Hawktitan linked. Some DMs might prefer to make players suffer long and hard for their mistakes though. I haven't asked anybody I play with about retraining yet, but I don't expect a very positive response.
Actually, the original question was "If you have Eldritch Heritage and then multiclass into Sorcerer, are you restricted to taking the bloodline you choose with Eldritch Heritage, and if not, do they change their Eldritch Heritage to be the new Bloodline?"
And the answer to that is no and no, they just technically have multiple bloodlines. I wasn't addressing the later question of whether or not you can retrain it for free if you do choose to 'double dip' into the same bloodline.
Actually, the original question was "If you have Eldritch Heritage and then multiclass into Sorcerer, are you restricted to taking the bloodline you choose with Eldritch Heritage, and if not, do they change their Eldritch Heritage to be the new Bloodline?"
And the answer to that is no and no, they just technically have multiple bloodlines. I wasn't addressing the later question of whether or not you can retrain it for free if you do choose to 'double dip' into the same bloodline.
actually its "are you restricted FROM taking the bloodline" or to re-phrase
are you allowed to take the bloodline when you multi-class into sorcerer if you have used that bloodline when taking the eldritch heritage feat at a previously character level? if you are allowed, what happens?
AdamMeyers - Actually, that's not the original question. I'll paste the relevant part of the original post and bold the potentially important difference:
If a character with the eldritch heritage feat multi-classes into sorcerer, are they restricted from taking the bloodline associated with their eldritch heritage?
It is kind of a weird situation since when you select the feat you can't choose a bloodline you already have. There's no explicit rule I can find forbidding you from selecting the bloodline later as a Sorcerer though.
My mistake, sorry. I guess that explains my confusion as to why people were discussing the questions they were. :P
Well it doesn't say you can't and thematically it kind of make sense, your bloodline fully expressing itself. They should be able to keep it and use it, as it would would most likely be functioning at a higher effective level than what was granted by the sorcerer class. They shouldn't be able to stack though.