TWF, IUS, Natural Attacks, and Flurry

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

1.) Can a set of natural attacks combine with a full round of IUS flurrying instead of substituting?

2.) Can a set of natural attacks combine with a full round of two weapon fighting instead of substituting?

I'm wondering how this Monk/Druid will work out in regards to having all those natural attacks and his flurry.

[blackbloodtroll]

1) No.

2) Yes.

Feral Combat Training will help you out.

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Why is it that it may combine with TWF but not Flurry?

[blackbloodtroll]

Flurry calls out that it cannot be combined.

Flurry is a special Full round action, whilst Two-weapon fighting is an option during a full attack.

Natural weapons can be used during a full attack.

[lemeres]

The rules for flurry calls the fact that natural attacks can't be used specifically. The basic idea I think is that you are already getting extra attacks (at a rather steep price) with flurry. Adding more extra attacks would just be too much. You can see it as thus: A tengu monk could get 5 attacks at level 1. Think of what he could do if he multiclassed to rogue (sure, terrible to hit, but still a lot of attacks).

You can substitute IUS in a flurry if you get feral combat training though. Not sure how useful that would be, but it is an option. Maybe claw rend or on monsters with some special abilities relating to claws and able to take class levels?

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Alrighty then. That clears it up for me. I'll try to remember this stuff this time around too : P

[ShadowcatX]

Remember, if your natural weapons are on your hands, you can't use a weapon in that hand and also use your natural weapons.

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

I don't think Druids can even use weapons while Wildshaped can they? Not that I intend to.

[ShadowcatX]

Kazumetsa Raijin wrote:

I don't think Druids can even use weapons while Wildshaped can they? Not that I intend to.

Depends on what you wild shape into. An ape could easy enough.

[Kazumetsa Raijin]

Ooooh right! Herpdaderp. XD

[Artanthos]

Feral Combat Training + T Rex = Flurry of Bites.