In my camp i am Dming for i have 5 players at lvl 5 one of them is an Aasimar oracle with nature domain. He has a horse companion that is now lvl 7 with stuff like dragon style and a celestial template. Is it wrong of me to count him as a player because he does the damage of another player and has more hp/resistances than anyone else in the party.
No he is in combat all the damn time
I think because he takes part in combat im going to count it as annother player. If it acted as just a mount it would be a different story.
The companion is a class feature of the oracle. It should not add to the APL any more than a fighter's armor training or a rouge's sneak attack.
That being said... how is he level 7? How does he have the celestial template? Why did you let a horse take dragon style?
An animal companion is not counted as part of APL, as it's a class feature of one of the PCs, and it doesn't gain any experience of its own.
That said, this particular animal companion sounds odd.
Why is the horse level 7? If the character is level 5, then the horse should only have the base "horse companion" stats modified by the things it gains because of a 5th-level master (as per the druid's animal companion class feature).
How did it get the celestial template?
How did its INT increase to 3 or higher (which is the only way it could take feats other than those listed under "animal feats" in the druid's animal companion class feature).
How did its INT increase to 3 or higher (which is the only way it could take feats other than those listed under "animal feats" in the druid's animal companion class feature).
Well, the GM still has an explicit ability to expand this list.
GMs might expand this list to include feats from other sources.
I mean, the GM always has the right due to rule 0, but I think the point of making this explicit is that new feats may be published that are appropriate for animals that aren't retroactively added to the animal feats list. Not that this is relevant to this specific case.
Well, yes, but Dragon Style and Improved Unarmed Strike don't seem like they would fit as an expansion of that list ;)
Well, yes, but Dragon Style and Improved Unarmed Strike don't seem like they would fit as an expansion of that list ;)
Absolutely.
I am dying to hear the story of this celestial monk-like horse.
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Ahh, celestial servant. Ok.
Huntmaster is a human feat (and 3rd party), an Aasimar shouldn't be able to take it (AFAIK). It would still only make the horse 6 HD (not 7th level).
How does the horse get 6 INT?
Edit: WAIT, WHAT???
Race: Reincarnated Celestial Magical BeastHorse
Class: Paladin
No. Animal companions do not get class levels.
He doesent actualy have paladin class levels
How does the horse get 6 INT?
How does the horse get 6 INT?
Nature Oracle companions have a minimum Int of 6.
Bonded Mount (Su): You gain the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal mount. The creature must be one that you are capable of riding and is suitable as a mount. A Medium oracle can select a camel or a horse. A Small oracle can select a pony or wolf, but can also select a boar or a dog if she is at least 4th level. This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using your oracle level as your effective druid level. Bonded mounts have an Intelligence score of at least 6.
How does the horse get 6 INT?Nature Oracle companions have a minimum Int of 6.
Bonded Mount (Su): You gain the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal mount. The creature must be one that you are capable of riding and is suitable
as a mount. A Medium oracle can select a camel or a horse. A Small oracle can select a pony or wolf, but can also select a boar or a dog if she is at least 4th level.
This mount functions as a druid's animal companion, using your oracle level as your effective druid level. Bonded mounts have an Intelligence score of at least 6.
Thanks! Our investigation draws to a close!
Outstanding issues are why he is 'level 7' and why the Aasimar oracle was allowed to take a human racial trait.
But really, either way this goes the animal companion is an extension of the character and should not modify APL.
Edit: The post that was originally here doesn't apply if it doesn't have paladin levels.
Outstanding issues are why he is 'level 7' and why the Aasimar oracle was allowed to take a human racial trait.
I can't comment about the trait, but an aasimar with oracle as a favored class can increase the effective level of one revelation.
Favored Class Options
The following options are available to all aasimars who have the listed favored class, and unless otherwise stated, the bonus applies each time you select the favored class reward.
Bard: Choose one bardic performance; treat the bard as +1/2 level higher when determining the effects of that performance.
Cavalier: Add +1/4 to the cavalier's bonus on damage against targets of his challenge.
Cleric: Add +1/2 to damage when using positive energy against undead or using Alignment Channel to damage evil outsiders.
Inquisitor: Add +1/2 on Intimidate, Knowledge, and Sense Motive checks made against outsiders.
Oracle: Add +1/2 to the oracle's level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation.
Paladin: Add +1/6 to the morale bonus on saving throws provided by the paladin's auras.
Sorcerer: Add +1/4 to the sorcerer's caster level when casting spells with the good descriptor.
Summoner: Add DR 1/evil to the summoner's eidolon. Each additional time the summoner selects this benefit, the DR/evil increases by +1/2 (maximum DR 10/evil).
I believe what ill do is give him the choice of keeping huntmaster but the horse will count as another pc because he is kind of rediculous in combat.
Okay, with the Huntmaster trait, the Celestial Servant feat, and the aasimar oracle favored class option, this looks fine.
Except for one thing: Base attack should be +4 rather than +7. The mount doesn't use the magical beast BAB/Save progression; it still uses the druid table.
Edit: Also, it shouldn't have 7d10 HD. It only gains 6 HD from the druid table, and those are still animal d8 HD despite the template. So its HD would be 6d8.
Essentially, apart from counting as a magical beast for spells and effects, it doesn't gain anything else for being a magical beast (it works like a paladin's mount in that respect).
I'm 95% certain that the intention is for Celestial Servant to work like the paladin's mount (which gains the celestial template and counts as a magical beast at level 11); that is, it only counts as a magical beast for purposes of spells/effects.
I seriously doubt that the feat is intended to give animal companions full BAB and d10 HD on top of the celestial template.
Even if that is the intention, it should still only have 6 HD rather than 7, as a 7th-level druid's animal companion gets 6 HD.
Huntmaster isnt 3rd party its in tge advanced race guide and he took scion of humanity