I'm trying to upgrade my armor to "celestial" (this is obvioulsy not for PFS). Anyway, I just want to make sure I reverse engineered the costs correctly.
Celestial Armor: 22,400
Masterwork Chainmail: 300
+3 Armor: 9000 (3x3x1000)
Flight, 1/day, CL5: 8100 (5x3x1800/5x1.5)
"Celestial" cost (+6 max Dex, +3 ACP, reduced armor category/weight): 5000
Does this look right? 5000 gold to make an armor "celestial"
that's up to your GM. Me, I wouldn't allow it. but I'm not your GM.
Since I'm posting here, you can safely assume my GM is allowing this. Now how about letting me know if my math looks ok or providing a fair cost for "celestial" to be added to armor.
I don't think there is any way to do this by RAW.
Here's one fairly official response: right here.
Yeah, that's from the head of PFS, and you said you don't care about PFS, so maybe his ruling doesn't matter. But it does set a precedent from an official source. Maybe there are others I don't know about.
But this is not the Rules Questions forum, so my advice from GM to GM would be that your calculation seems mathematically correct BUT assuming that "celestial" equates to just the improvement on weight and corresponding changes to Max DEX and ACP is a bit risky, especially for that small a price tag. The whole armor seems a bit underpriced for what it gives, and the major underpricing element is the adjustment to these modifiers. Me, I would set "Celestial" at 10,000 just to make people earn it - either buy it separately at that price, or just get Celestial Armor and enjoy the "package rate" price savings.
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There have been several attempts in to reverse engineer Celestial Armor in the past with varying results.
For this kind of reverse engineering, the first question I like to ask is this: Is "Celestial" a magical property, or a product of the base item? This is more of a flavor issue, especially if "Celestial" as a magical property is determined to be a flat +gp value.
However, the math that I use when doing this in my home games is the following.
+3 Enhancement - 9000gp
Fly once per day - 5400gp
Elven Chain like quality - 1000gp (Elven chain 5150gp - mithral chain 4150gp)
Max dex increased +6, armor check penalty decreased by -3, arcane spell failure decreased by 15%. These are the only unaccounted for properties and they are the remaining 7000gp to make the cost.
I usually combine the last two points, making "Celestial" either an 8000 gp base item, or a +8000 gp enhancement. (I also add that it must be created/enhanced by a good aligned outsider, not just anyone who is "good")
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It might also help to take a look at the Mithral costs. Back in 3.5 the celestial armors description said it was made of "fine links of gold or silver" that we're so light, yet strong it gave all those bonuses, and some like the dex increase and ACP decrease mirror some things about Mithral. In pathfinder, they removed that section of the description, but everything else is the same.
So far the math looks about right. Masterwork is 300 gp if I recall. What is the price for chainmail, since you have the masterwork chainmail as a flat 300 gp, when that is just the masterwork costs?
Yar!
In the CRB, that description of Silver and Gold is still there, it's only in Ultimate Equipment that it is removed. Take that how you will, I'm just pointing it out.
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Masterwork is 300 gp if I recall. What is the price for chainmail, since you have the masterwork chainmail as a flat 300 gp, when that is just the masterwork costs?
Chainmail: 150gp
Masterwork: 150gpSo 300 for masterwork chainmail is correct.
Since "Celestial" is basically just a better version of Mithral, I'd base it off that.
Probably somewhere between 50-100% more costly than Mithral.
1500-2000 gp for light armours
6000-8000 gp for medium armours
14000-18000 gp for heavy armours
Since "Celestial" is basically just a better version of Mithral, I'd base it off that.
Probably somewhere between 50-100% more costly than Mithral.
1500-2000 gp for light armours
6000-8000 gp for medium armours
14000-18000 gp for heavy armours
That's an interesting way to look at it. Medium mithral armor would add 4000, so making it "celestial" adds 25% and brings it up to 5000. 50-100% more costly than mithral seems extreme.
The math completely breaks down with celestial plate (the 1/day, CL 8 flight really throws a monkey wrench into the costs), so I won't go there, and just try to come up with a reasonable cost off standard celestial armor.