Kensai Magus and the critical focus chains, worth it?


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Playing a Magus for a one-off game (well, 3-off), so using it to try out some archtypes/spell selection/other things I usually don't do with the class.

I was debating grabbing critical focus and one of the "X critical" feats, and maybe going for critical mastery and a 2nd "X critical" feat, but I wasn't sure if it's worth it for the more feat starved Kensai compared to a Fighter.

Since the feats are late game and by late game many foes are immune to critical hits or the effects those feats cause, or can quickly gain immunity, I'm curious if that 2-4 feat investment is worth it.

Staggering critical seems the most worthwhile if I only take one (shuts down meleer's, at least mildly limits caster mobility, does it's thing to a short extent even on a save by the foe). If I had taken two I had been debating deafening critical but after my thread the other day confirmed the initiative penalty doesn't take place until the next combat (which ideally I don't want my foe ever seeing), it isn't the caster debuffer I was hoping for. If I took two... maybe sickening, since it debuffs saves and doesn't appear to allow a save against it (crit lands = it goes off at full value).

Thought I'd toss this out for general feedback though, so

For a Kensai Magus (Bladebound Kensai, tech.)
Is critical focus and one of it's critical feats worth it?
Is critical mastery and a 2nd critical feat worth it?
If yes to either or both, which feat(s)?

(If group make up matters, it's a Sorc, a Cleric, a Ninja, a Paladin, and the Magus, levels of the 3 games will be 14, 17, and 20, if foe composition matters, across the board. There'll be PC race/classes, dragons, undead, outsiders of at least 3 types, we can expect a good sampling of bestiary 1 and 2 at least, probably 3 as well)


you can never get to critical mastery without a couple of fighter lvl's

my bladebound magus is picking up critical focus mainly for easy critting with my spells but ill pick up bleeding critical anyway's its 2d6 extra ech round or the target got to waste a round with a heal check! thats pritty awsome on a scimitar when you crit at 15

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Darkflame wrote:

you can never get to critical mastery without a couple of fighter lvl's

my bladebound magus is picking up critical focus mainly for easy critting with my spells but ill pick up bleeding critical anyway's its 2d6 extra ech round or the target got to waste a round with a heal check! thats pritty awsome on a scimitar when you crit at 15

Magus at high enough levels counts as Magus Levels minus X (It think it's 3 for a Kensai) Fighter. I wouldn't trade out any magus levels for fighter to get any of those feats though.

A pet peeve of mine directed earlier in this thread. Your character isn't "feat starved" just because you don't have as many feats as a fighter. The Fighter is feat-rich because that's his main class feature.


LazarX wrote:
Magus at high enough levels counts as Magus Levels minus X (It think it's 3 for a Kensai) Fighter. I wouldn't trade out any magus levels for fighter to get any of those feats though.

Yes, its 1/2 level for magus, and its level -3 for kensai, but kensai only works with his favored weapon.

I think critical feats are pretty cool, the big question might be what would you get instead? Magus love to crit fish, and everything you get a crit adding something really painful like stagger or blindness is pretty nifty!


i think critical focus is awsome for magus but i would never get anything els than bleeding critical just imangine dooing 2d6 each turn on a monster critter who cant do a heal check!! :-)

it pales against 10d6 from shocking grasp tho but still!


Darkflame wrote:

i think critical focus is awsome for magus but i would never get anything els than bleeding critical just imangine dooing 2d6 each turn on a monster critter who cant do a heal check!! :-)

it pales against 10d6 from shocking grasp tho but still!

2D6 is a drop in the bucket by the time you get it. You could instead blind the guy you just stabbed, or stagger him so he can't make more than one attack, or all sorts of other nasty things. D6's look nice and let you yell "wee! 22D6!" but in reality they aren't that much.


OP:

If you're going with a scimitar, you _absolutely_ want the critical focus feat. Specifically, you want Staggering Critical. You'll never have the BAB to get up to Stunning Critical, which is even more glorious.

But, fundamentally, a lot of monsters are terrifying because they have a ton of attacks. Staggering Critical virtually guarantees that if YOU get a full attack, the opponent does not.

There isn't really a second critical feat worth getting, so I'd save Critical Mastery + That Other Feat You'd Get, and pick 2 feats of something else.

-Cross

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MrSin wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Magus at high enough levels counts as Magus Levels minus X (It think it's 3 for a Kensai) Fighter. I wouldn't trade out any magus levels for fighter to get any of those feats though.

Yes, its 1/2 level for magus, and its level -3 for kensai, but kensai only works with his favored weapon.

Not exactly an issue, as most Kensai won't touch any other weapons.

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