I started a new game with some friends and i made a were ninja. (for the s@$+s and giggles) one of the other players made a broke druid at lvl 2 ( I don't see how...) my brother is a were bear and the druid attempted to "tame" us we are naturally born and not afflicted so would he still be able to do so even though we have the ability of using our brain and not being homicidal killers? (The DM didn't know what to say on it.)I could understand making like a will save or some thing.
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Are wear bears and were wolves on the animal companion list? If so then maybe only when your in your were state...
All animals (unless magically altered) have an intelligence of 3 or less. Certain spells pernamently increase the intelligence of an animal, but they can no longer be animal companions/familiars if those spells are cast on them.
Creatures with a good intelligence score choose to follow thier master, but can disregard but they say if they think that it's suicidal.
Those put together would make me say "No, you can't tame them without their own free will".
If he used some sort of mind control then that would be a different story.
Using what ability did the druid try to "tame" you? Lycanthropes have the human and shapechanger subtypes so they're not animals and wouldn't be subject to abilities that only affect animals, or even magical animals because you are neither. So really in what capacity is he trying to "tame" you? Because as far as I know druids have no such capability.
He is a druid/witch sorry thought I had typed everything in even double checked T-T. But exactly i argued this all out with the DM and he was going to let it happen, I told him that its bs what he is allowing the character to do. where in the rules can I show him this (I cant remember) this is the first game he started with a good story and i don't want to quit.
Erm, how would he tame you? Your just as smart as any other human, not an animal. I mean, maybe as a bad joke, but really you can't tame something that isn't an animal.
Natural lycanthropes have full control. While in hybrid and animal forms they're just as smart as a person and have full control over themselves. You can't really play an afflicted lycanthrope in a game because those are the ones that go crazy.
He is a druid/witch sorry thought I had typed everything in even double checked T-T. But exactly i argued this all out with the DM and he was going to let it happen, I told him that its bs what he is allowing the character to do. where in the rules can I show him this (I cant remember) this is the first game he started with a good story and i don't want to quit.
Well, you can't prove a negative very well. He'd need to find a rule that says you can tame a lycanthrope. Here are the rules for lycanthropes though.
The only way he could "tame" you is if he used Charm Person or Dominate Person. But that's in the realm of PvP and ripe for a game to fall apart.
Thank You everyone I wanted this brought to the DM's attention now I have hard proof to back it. I don't see why this had to be a problem in the first place.
Also going to suggest that the character in question be rebuilt or the person to understand it a bit better maybe go back and re read his abilities and such.
I remember as a joke, we had a goblin luchador named Peaches that the ranger routinely used handle animal on to keep him in check. But the couple was okay with it and in fact, Peaches encouraged it.
Tell your DM no. Ask him and the player to find any rules that indicate that the druid can do anything like this at all. Pathfinder is generally best played by assuming you can't do anything unless the rules say so. If the rules don't say so the GM can allow certain things. This however being control over a player character I would walk out of the game if the GM allowed the druid some sort of control over my character without using lots of magic like dominate and charm person (which have their own limiations).
If it really comes down to it I will retire poor shillaly and make some thing else as suggested. He didn't really care what we make true but he did in his words *slightly* that he did. just makes me sad it my first wolf guy. T-T
If it really comes down to it I will retire poor shillaly and make some thing else as suggested. He didn't really care what we make true but he did in his words *slightly* that he did. just makes me sad it my first wolf guy. T-T
Yeah, that is sad. Usually players don't get the chance to play lycanthropes, it can actually be a lot of fun. Having your team mates try to tame or control you is bad mojo though, similarly when your teammates think going berserk and killing innocents is entertaining.
Really, anytime people purposely cause intraparty conflict I'm not a fan. I usually quit whenever people start with that. If another player tried to control my character I would have told them I was done and they can play without me since that appears to be what they want anyways.
makes me wanna make a character that'll just drag them down...if it happens I will i'm loved among the PF groups so finding another game isnt hard.
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Can a skilled animal handler "tame" a druid in Wild Shape? No? Then you can't tame a natural lycanthrope either. In both cases you are intelligent creatures of the humanoid type (polymorph doesn't change your type) with full control over your shapeshifting and full control over yourself when in your alternate form. I could maybe see this working with an afflicted lycanthrope on a rampage since they "forget their identity" (could be some neat RP) but this is just ridiculous.
If the druid tries this, you could turn the tables on him. If you want to be nasty you can try "taming" the druid with your new character once he starts to Wild Shape. A Ranger / Fey Sorcerer multiclass might be a good way to do this. Nature Oracles and Animal Speaker bards unfortunately don't actually get Wild Empathy - though the Animal Speaker's ability is worded similarly enough that the same logic would apply.
I wouldn't recommend nasty, though, as it might ruin your good reputation among other PF groups. Just the idea that this logic could equally apply to his druid should be enough to make the other player back off.