Lets say I have a Monk with a Bite attack. This bite is his only Natural Weapon, meaning he gets 1.5 times Str bonus on its damage rolls.
Lets say this Monk then takes the Feats Feral Combat Training and Dragon Style
Dragon Style also lets you strike with 1.5 times Str bonus.
Now, does the bonus of Dragon Style overlap with and add to the existing 1.5 times Str bonus from a solitary Natural Weapon, in the same way that a x2 + x2 = x3?
Would they work together to create a x1.5 + x1.5 = x2?
Thanks for your input.
EDIT: Just thought of something else which I may as well ask here and not make an entire new post.
Lets say the above character takes the Tiger Claws Feat. The Feral Combat Training Feat allows him to use Style Feats with Natural Weapons, so it should work with the Bite attack. The problem comes in with the requirement that you have two hands free. Now RAW the feat doesnt say you actually have to perform the attack with your hands, but still, its kinda implied.
So, does Feral Combat Training allow me to use Tiger Claws with my Bite Attack?
What if the character instead used two Claw attacks in conjunction with the Tiger Claws Feat? Would any Rend Ability he might have, trigger on the single hit from Tiger Claws?
Dragon Style: "1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your 'first unarmed strike' on a given round"
x1.5 + x1.5 = x2 for the first strike
x1.5 for future strikes
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Tiger claws = x2 / x1.5 if it is the first attack of the round // x1.5/x1 if it is not the first attack of the round
because your mouth is not either of your "hands".
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Claws / Tiger Claws = yes to rend.
If first attack = x2.5, if not first attack then x2
Rend: "This attack deals an additional amount of damage, but no more than once per round."
Claws / Tiger Claws = yes to rend.
If first attack = x2.5, if not first attack then x2
Wouldnt it be x3 on a Tiger Claw attack? It is a single attack which rolls damage twice. The two damage rolls are collectively "the first attack"
Heres another one, suppose I am wearing a Claw Blade on one hand, enchanted to +5. I know it would only apply its damage bonus once on the Tiger Claw attack, but the whole attack would gain the +5 to hit modifier, correct?
Dragon Style: "1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your 'first unarmed strike' on a given round"
x1.5 + x1.5 = x2 for the first strike
x1.5 for future strikes
To get 1-1/2 Strength bonus on bite attack it has to be only attack made. Making more than one attack prevents getting x1.5 on bite.
If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one.
Based on the wording of Dragon Style, I would say the x1.5 bonus replaces the normal x1 bonus (or x.5 if off-hand) for an unarmed strike.
If you read it as an additive bonus, then it should add like any other bonus. x3 for your bite, x2.5 for a normal unarmed strike, and x2 for an off-hand unarmed strike.
Tiger Claws is pretty specific that it must be used with both hands, and therefore, not other parts of the body. You could use claws as long as they are on your hands, but you wouldn't get Rend since Rend requireas two attacks to hit and Tiger Claws only grants a single attack.
Tiger Claws specifically tells you to roll unarmed damage from each hand seperately though, meaning they function like two hits, even if there is only one attack roll. Its very much like Manyshot in that regard. This would ofcourse also mean that Dragon Styles multiplied Str bonus only applies to one of those damage rolls though.
Given the wording quoted here, Dragon Style applies to unarmed strikes, and would not normally apply to a bite attack. With Feral Combat Training, it should apply. However I'm with Quantum Steve, that the language specifies that you get 1.5 Str, not an additional .5 Str. No reason it should increase higher than 1.5.
You could almost call it a bonus for the same thing - Dragon Style is granting that 1.5 in simulation of a bite attack.
Your own quote disagrees with you. See the bolded line.
Dragon Style: "1-1/2 times your Strength bonus on the damage roll for your 'first unarmed strike' on a given round"
x1.5 + x1.5 = x2 for the first strike
x1.5 for future strikesTo get 1-1/2 Strength bonus on bite attack it has to be only attack made. Making more than one attack prevents getting x1.5 on bite.
If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one.
It doesn't matter whether you make one attack or five. If you have multiple natural attacks, you don't get the 1.5, and if you only have one, you get it (even if you attack with it multiple times).
Your bite doesn't get stronger or weaker depending on whether or not you're using your claws. It does get weaker if you combine natural attacks with manufactuered weapon attacks (which is what an unarmed strike counts as).
Im actually more interested in the claw aspect at this point, rather than a bite, which RAI doesnt really work anyway, what with the ability being dependant on hands.
How would Tiger Claws interact with the Boar Style? Does the single attack roll, which causes you to hit twice (being similar to Manyshot), qualify for the rend damage of Boar Style?
Im also curious about Claw Blades (catfolk racial item). Claw Blades are specified as making your claw a Light Slashing Weapon, but everything else like Weapon Focus (Claw) and damage seems to still work. Would a Claw Blade interfere with Feral Combat Training, and prevent the use of Style Feats? Claw Blades are so cool, but woefully unclear on these things, and my google-fu has failed to get me a definitive answer.