Shadow Conjuration and Sepia Snake Sigil

[Magpied]

I'm in an argument with a friend regarding two spells mentioned in the subject.

When you use Shadow Conjuration to imitate Sepia Snake Sigil, do you still need the components and the full casting time?

[Magpied]

Bump, this question is killing me!

[Majuba]

No and no. Shadow Conjuration has a fixed casting time, no material components, and no mention of anything that changes those.

Also, only 20% chance to actually work, if Will save is made.

[Magpied]

So, essentially, if there is several days of downtime, a wizard could create a bunch of pieces of paper with shadow sepia's for no cost at all?

Does this if the party came upon a Lich's Spellbook, the wizard could instantly plant a Shadow Sepia?

[Emmit Svenson]

No. You use the components and casting time of the Shadow Conjuration spell.

Slightly more amusing applications are using Shades to Create Demiplane in a single turn, or Trap the Soul without a gem. Have fun living on a 80% real plane, with souls in 80% real gems.

[Robert A Matthews]

Well you could use blood money to make real ones in your downtime/travel time. That wouldn't cost you anything either. There also wouldn't be an extra save to give it a 80% chance of not working.

But yes, you could create shadow conjurations of them on a bunch of paper in your downtime. You can't just hold them up in combat to make people save or lose, however. The text has to be 25 words long minimum. Holding out a piece of paper doesn't make people read it. If it was only a few words, you might be able to trick them into it. 25 words is two-three sentences at least. They have to deliberately read it to even be affected.

Edit: The blood money spell depends on how your GM interprets the spell. Some allow it to supply components for spells with longer cast times and some don't.

[hogarth]

Magpied wrote:

So, essentially, if there is several days of downtime, a wizard could create a bunch of pieces of paper with shadow sepia's for no cost at all?

Yes (see Majuba's reasoning). It's silly, but there are lots of silly things in D&D/Pathfinder.

[Lincoln Hills]

Emmit Svenson wrote:

...using Shades to Create Demiplane in a single turn, or Trap the Soul without a gem. Have fun living on a 80% real plane, with souls in 80% real gems.

I'm not sure the plane I live in is that real. And I'm darn sure that at least 80% of the souls of most people I meet are sealed in gems (or, as they call them, "phones".)

[VRMH]

hogarth wrote:

It's silly, but there are lots of silly things in D&D/Pathfinder.

Sure you're not suggesting that things like Shadow Evocation - Continual Flame are anything but the most obviously normal phenomenon?

[Magpied]

VRMH wrote:

hogarth wrote:

It's silly, but there are lots of silly things in D&D/Pathfinder.

Sure you're not suggesting that things like Shadow Evocation - Continual Flame are anything but the most obviously normal phenomenon?

I was actually planning on doing that. Eventually I want to have a castle with illusory permanent flames surrounding the outlying lands.