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What if Aroden DID usher in a new golden age for humanity?
What if he PURPOSEFULLY defied Pharasma's prophecy in order to free the world (and mankind) from fate?
What if he sacrificed himself and his godhood in order to give mankind that which they had never been given since the time they were ruled by the aboleths - the power to forge their own destiny?
The amusing thing is, there's a bas-relief under Windsong Abbey dating back to Azlanti times that suggests that Aroden's birth, rise to godhood, death, and the end of prophecy itself were all in fact prophesied. (See Beyond the Doomsday Door.)
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So, there was a prophesy that a prophesy would be broken.
Either way, someone is wrong. :p
The amusing thing is, there's a bas-relief under Windsong Abbey dating back to Azlanti times that suggests that Aroden's birth, rise to godhood, death, and the end of prophecy itself were all in fact prophesied. (See Beyond the Doomsday Door.)
Really? Do you remember what room?
The amusing thing is, there's a bas-relief under Windsong Abbey dating back to Azlanti times that suggests that Aroden's birth, rise to godhood, death, and the end of prophecy itself were all in fact prophesied. (See Beyond the Doomsday Door.)Really? Do you remember what room?
Nevermind. Found it.
The question still remains: was Aroden merely a pawn in the prophecy, or did he knowingly orchestrate his own demise (or perhaps just his disappearance or loss of divinity)?
I think it's been confirmed that he's not just merely dead, he's really most sincerely known-to-have-been-judged-by-Pharasma dead.
(She won't say what killed him, or where he was judged to, though.)
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I have a personal theroy that Aroden was the son of Xin. Xin being an Azlantian exile who founded Thassilon. There are hints that Xin's son was imprisoned by the Runelords as they took over, and hints that Xin's son led people to safty durning the Earthfall through the underdark. The Mobhad Leigh sounds simular to another entrance to the underdark created in an adventure path. All that said I think he sacraficed himself to break humanities ties to the Aboleth.
I think he knew that they still had some control of him, and that through him the Aboleth could control humanity. I think the Earthfall was just a step in the Aboleth's plans to gain power by creating a god they could control who then could control the masses. Humanities power centers spring up around a sea created by the fall. A sea that the Last Azlanti brings up from the depths the Starstone. A sea with Absalom, the "City at the center of the world" in it. A city with ties to gillmen.
No, Aroden self-sacraficed himself to give humanity its freedom from the Aboleth. It makes sense.
(well, to me anyway)
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This is close to my personal theory. Aroden killed himself specifically to break fate. There are a number of hints (mainly literary and religious allusions) that the Golden Age of Humanity would be followed by the release of Rovagug and the end of the world. With his death, Aroden prevented the Golden Age and therefore (maybe)the apocalypse.
Ironically, the free will granted by the end of prophesy could very well result in the foretold Golden Age anyway.
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Hmmm.
I'm not buying it. I'm under the opinion that Aroden's death was a murder, not a suicide.
If LN Aroden killed himself, he would not have done so in a way that broke Sarkoris and let Deskari establish an abyssal foothold.
I'm not sure what's in the center of the Eye, but that's where we need to go to find answers.
I have a personal theroy that Aroden was the son of Xin. Xin being an Azlantian exile who founded Thassilon. There are hints that Xin's son was imprisoned by the Runelords as they took over, and hints that Xin's son led people to safty durning the Earthfall through the underdark. The Mobhad Leigh sounds simular to another entrance to the underdark created in an adventure path. All that said I think he sacraficed himself to break humanities ties to the Aboleth.
I think he knew that they still had some control of him, and that through him the Aboleth could control humanity. I think the Earthfall was just a step in the Aboleth's plans to gain power by creating a god they could control who then could control the masses. Humanities power centers spring up around a sea created by the fall. A sea that the Last Azlanti brings up from the depths the Starstone. A sea with Absalom, the "City at the center of the world" in it. A city with ties to gillmen.
No, Aroden self-sacraficed himself to give humanity its freedom from the Aboleth. It makes sense.
(well, to me anyway)
Word of James is that the Starstone was an unintended result of Earthfall. Aboleths loathe gods, and would never in a million years deliberately create one even if it was in their own best interests.
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The Prophecy that Prophesied The End of Prophecy came true. OR DID IT.
What if Aroden DID usher in a new golden age for humanity?Then we'd never have a reason for a campaign. Without strife, struggle,and conflict, you don't have a story. Without story,you don't have a background for a roleplaying game.
There's a reason why the golden age is part of the "fabled past" or the "unrealised future" in any setting that mentions one.
Except a "Golden Age for humanity" doesn't mean a lack of any of those things in a setting where humanity isn't the only race involved in the story. When you throw all those other groups into the mix, it's still possible for humanity to have a time of prosperity, yet still be forced to deal with a multitude of problems caused by the other races that aren't.
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The amusing thing is, there's a bas-relief under Windsong Abbey dating back to Azlanti times that suggests that Aroden's birth, rise to godhood, death, and the end of prophecy itself were all in fact prophesied. (See Beyond the Doomsday Door.)
This is for sure the case. More to the point, Aroden was/saw himself as/was believed by others to be the manifestation of a prophesied "Last Azlanti" who would lead the Azlanti people in a time of great troubles, to ensure their survival and rebirth in a new and greater form.
Legends of this figure existed for centuries before Aroden's mortal birth. There's a bit about this in one room of my Thornkeep dungeon, and the myth of Aroden and the remnants of his cult are a major, major part of my home campaign and will eventually appear in full in upcoming Paizo releases.
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The amusing thing is, there's a bas-relief under Windsong Abbey dating back to Azlanti times that suggests that Aroden's birth, rise to godhood, death, and the end of prophecy itself were all in fact prophesied. (See Beyond the Doomsday Door.)This is for sure the case. More to the point, Aroden was/saw himself as/was believed by others to be the manifestation of a prophesied "Last Azlanti" who would lead the Azlanti people in a time of great troubles, to ensure their survival and rebirth in a new and greater form.
Legends of this figure existed for centuries before Aroden's mortal birth. There's a bit about this in one room of my Thornkeep dungeon, and the myth of Aroden and the remnants of his cult are a major, major part of my home campaign and will eventually appear in full in upcoming Paizo releases.
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If he did, it was because he got himself in a no win situation, rather like the Sandman did in The Kindly Ones.
Personally I think his reign would eventually lead to the reign of Asmodeus, as people became complacent and lawful and greedy and evil.
That's why Milani (what's chaotic good 'saint' doing in his church?) killed him.