Does gold spent retraining hit points count towards one's WBL?


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It seems like it should to me (or eventually, in a campaign with sufficient downtime, everyone will just have maximum hit points). But is that how it's supposed to be - you should keep a tally of the amount of gold each PC has spent retraining hit points?

Grand Lodge

Its not a core rule in any book I know of (unless its in Ult. Campaign) so its a hard thing to answer.

Question: Why would everyone have maximum hitpoints? Hitpoints are abstract - its conditioning, health etc but its also luck, ability to roll with the blow etc. Having down time doesn't necessarily increase this.

Designer, RPG Superstar Judge

No, just as it doesn't matter if PCs spend all of their wealth on potions to stay alive in a particularly dangerous adventure. The point of the game is to be able to keep playing.

And it doesn't matter if everyone eventually ends up with max hit points, just as it doesn't matter if all the PCs happened to roll max hit points.


Thanks, Sean.


Helaman wrote:

Its not a core rule in any book I know of (unless its in Ult. Campaign) so its a hard thing to answer.

Question: Why would everyone have maximum hitpoints? Hitpoints are abstract - its conditioning, health etc but its also luck, ability to roll with the blow etc. Having down time doesn't necessarily increase this.

I meant the new retraining rules in ultimate campaign - you can increase your maximum hit points (essentially up to what it would have been had you rolled maximum hit points every level). The constraints being gold and time.

Liberty's Edge

Sean K Reynolds wrote:

No, just as it doesn't matter if PCs spend all of their wealth on potions to stay alive in a particularly dangerous adventure. The point of the game is to be able to keep playing.

And it doesn't matter if everyone eventually ends up with max hit points, just as it doesn't matter if all the PCs happened to roll max hit points.

Why do I feel like this is going to get linked to quite often by people who will irritate me in other threads...

Don't you think this devalues hit points, and therefore devalues the classes that focus on removing hit points rather than creating effects?


In my game, we don't roll hit points - we use the higher-of-half rule from Pathfinder Society. Thus, retraining hp does matter. I will be counting that particular use of retraining against WBL.


I don't have UC, but I imagine that if you don't roll for HP in the first place you can't reroll, just like you can't use a reroll ability if you took 10 because there was no roll in the first place.

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