So Regarding Sleeping Gear

[jlighter]

So I just had one of my players bring this up to me. There appears to be no functional benefit to bedrolls, blankets, winter blankets, and other bits of sleeping paraphernalia. Just going off the rules I can find, it seems that one can get the same benefit from sleeping naked in the snow as from sleeping in a bedroll under a winter blanket on the beach.

Anybody know of anywhere where I've got this wrong? The only rules I know of regarding sleep are the following:

-sleeping for 8 hours recovers character level HP for the night
-resting for 24 hours can recover double the normal number of hit points
-having a character using the Heal skill to provide care while resting doubles the normal amount of HP recovery

--sleeping for less than 6 hours causes the character to become fatigued (optional rule from Carrion Crown)

Nothing regarding needing any sleeping gear, no mechanical benefit from sleeping gear, etc.

Help?

[doctor_wu]

You could have them provide benefits for sleeping in things like cold from extreme cold exposure on fort saves over night like a +2 bonus makes sense if it is cold. or other benefits against cold weather exposure. So they will have to start making fort saves. I don't think the bedroll is only to be comfy and sleep better I think it is because it is cold.

Edit these rules are in the environment chapter.

[Scott_UAT]

Oh I've made players roll save or Con damage for being an intentional dumbass and sleeping naked in the mountains at night during a snow storm. Lets just say they didn't make it and didn't get any sleep.

[Damon Griffin]

It's like using common, ordinary tools. No bonus for using them, because using them is assumed. Sleeping in medium or heavy armor automatically makes you fatigued the next day, barring a feat or class ability that negates this; it's not a stretch to say that sleeping naked in snow, or on rocky ground with no padding, is at least as uncomfortable as sleeping in medium armor, so those things should also carry the penalty.

[jlighter]

I just checked. There isn't really anything regarding bedding items and extra protections against environment effects. Cold-weather gear, yes. Winter blankets, no.

Edit: @ Damon, the problem with that assumption is that there is no penalty called out for not using them. More like using Perception vs. using Perception with a spyglass.

[Lincoln Hills]

Nor are there specific penalties for malnutrition if you choose to, say, eat horse-feed instead of iron rations: or penalties for suffering from bodily parasites or skin disease if you don't bathe. Nor does it specify that your character risks drowning if he stands in heavy rain with his head back and his mouth open for a certain number of rounds. Absence of something from RaW doesn't mean the GM is obligated never to apply penalties because of it - except, to a certain extent, for PFS events.

[Damon Griffin]

Lincoln Hills wrote:

Absence of something from RaW doesn't mean the GM is obligated never to apply penalties because of it.

Exactly. Just ask Frank.