Summoner DR Alignment question


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Scarab Sages

Just a quick question concerning this evolution:

Damage Reduction (Su): An eidolon's body becomes resistant to harm, granting it damage reduction. Choose one alignment: chaotic, evil, good, or lawful. The eidolon gains DR 5 that can be bypassed by weapons that possess the chosen alignment. The alignment must be opposite to one of the alignments possessed by the eidolon. At 12th level, this protection can be increased to DR 10 by spending 2 additional evolution points.

So it sounds pretty straight forward but does it:
A) Do nothing if the summoner is True Neutral
B) Optimal DR choice, like picking DR Good when facing mostly non-good enemies.

Just wondering as I was contemplating making a Summoner.


A

Scarab Sages

Just as I originally thought.
Thank you very much for the quick reply mplindustries.


Well, aren't all the alignments opposite true neutral? I think this is more like 'if you are good you shouldn't have DR bypassed by good', or evil, if you prefer.


I'm almost positive the correct answer to this is actually 'pick one' where you're free to choose good, evil, law, or chaos.

I could be mistaken. I have no documentation to back it up.

[A] sure feels silly though.

Liberty's Edge

The text says the choice has to be opposite a component of the eidolon's alignment. To take DR/good, the eidolon must be LE, NE, or CE. To take DR/evil, the eidolon must be LG, NG, or CG. To take DR/law, it must be CG, CN, or CE. To take DR/chaos, it must be LG, LN, or LE. An eidolon that is true neutral gains no benefit and/or cannot take this evolution. Since eidolon's have the same alignment as the summoner, your summoner would have to have an evil alignment for the eidolon to take DR/good.

Remember that DR/alignment isn't bypassed just by a creature with that alignment. A weapon has to be aligned to bypass it, either with an enhancement like holy to get by DR/good, with a spell like align weapon or bless weapon, or the like. Some creatures imbue their weapons with an alignment for overcoming DR, such as those with an alignment subtype. Natural attacks need to come from a creature with that subtype; something like an angel with the (good) subtype is required to get by DR/good.

DR/law or DR/chaos is almost as good as DR/good. The only real difference will come if you are fighting mainly evil enemies when facing something like a devil to overcome DR/law or a demon to overcome DR/chaos. DR/law will face fewer opponents that can overcome the alignment than DR/chaos, but this can depend a lot on the campaign. If building for PFS in year 5, DR/law is probably the best choice given that year 5 is touted as Year of the Demon.

Sczarni

howie, natural attacks are considered aligned as the wielder. This however does not apply to unarmed strikes because somehow they are "manufactured" heh.


lantzkev wrote:
howie, natural attacks are considered aligned as the wielder.

This is only true if the wielder has an alignment subtype, or if the statblock otherwise specifies that the creature's attacks are aligned.

Sczarni

Quote:
Some monsters are vulnerable to good-, evil-, chaotic-, or lawful-aligned weapons, such as from an align weapon spell or the holy magical weapon property. A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that matched the subtype(s) of the creature.
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Evil Subtype: This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the evil-aligned Outer Planes. Evil outsiders are also called fiends. Most creatures that have this subtype also have evil alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature has an evil alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the evil subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are evil-aligned.

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Lawful Subtype: This subtype is usually applied to outsiders native to the lawful-aligned Outer Planes. Most creatures that have this subtype also have lawful alignments; however, if their alignments change, they still retain the subtype. Any effect that depends on alignment affects a creature with this subtype as if the creature had a lawful alignment, no matter what its alignment actually is. The creature also suffers effects according to its actual alignment. A creature with the lawful subtype overcomes damage reduction as if its natural weapons and any weapons it wields are lawful-aligned

Yeap, I wasn't looking beyond subtype and didn't realize that was an actual type beyond just alignment axis. good to know!

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